Natasha
paulseawind wroteNot wanting to open a huge dialogue here but can she say cat and also kucing? Dog and also anjing? Airplane and also pesawat?
Yes, and she even knows all her numbers in both languages :)
A while ago my husband told me he was concerned that our daughter wasn't learning english as quickly as she was learning Indonesian, and I ask him why, and he said because she never talks to him in english. I was like, duh, you're Indonesian, you speak to her in Indonesian, why would she speak to you in english?!!!! He then realized that she easily switches languages depending on who she's talking to.
For the most part she knows her words in both languages, but there's always going to be certain words that she prefers in one language over another, or is easier to pronounce. It's amazing how easily toddlers learn things. I'm from the french part of Canada (but my mother tongue is english), and I struggled my entire childhood and adolescence learning french, it would have been much easier if I had been exposed to it earlier on.
geedee
paulseawind wroteNTSH, this is very insightful for me, and thanks very much for the information. It's been a long time since I dealt with toddlers (my son is 28 now). I had a business arrangement with Dr Christopher Green, Child Psychologist from Camperdown Hospital way back then. He was most informative on toddlers (ours was around that age at the time) and Chris wrote the book 'Toddler Taming' which was a big hit. But he never spoke (to me) about multi-lingual or the like. He was more into their behaviour and put his funny Irish slant onto it. Does your daughter still exhibit the normal behavioural traits of a toddler? I'd expect so, but with some interesting differences. However, with their ability to [I]choose the language[/I], at that age, depending on who they are talking with, is quite fascinating. I have been a member of MENSA since May 1982 and I never heard of this. I have spoken with the Gifted Children people (from MENSA) and they never mentioned multi-lingual families but now I see it is an important parameter in the scheme of things. It can only be a good thing.
Even though I can speak 4 languages English ,Scottish, Australian and Drunken Scottish(this one particularly hard to understand even to fellow speakers)
I was rejected by MENSA(capitals for effect) on 3 occasions.
Feeling down I contacted my Psychologist/Psychiatrist Dr Phil whom I knew pretty well from lying on the couch watching daytime TV.
He wouldn't talk about the MENSA problem but sent me to rehab instead.
I feel better now and am keen on moving to Bali when they let me out.
geedee
paulseawind wroteIt's always in capitals, don't fret it.
When you get to Bali, don't come to my place. One genius is enough, thanks.
We don't need any Scottish ingenuity here. We have all the Aussie nous we need.
BTW, you get to sit the test once, not 3 times. It's a one-shot Charlie kind of thing. I was the Proctor (in Darwin) for several years. That's how I know this stuff. There are 2 tests. You need to 'pass' only one of them. Most of us pass both of them. The second one is called 'Culture Fair'. You don't need to speak English to do it. In fact, you could be speaking Lithuanian Lip Whistle full time and still sit that test and pass it.
You can actually sit it again if you failed before July 2014 and on their logo they don't have it in capitals.As for the 'Culture Fair" I thought yogurt had more culture than Aussies
However I'm disappointed not being invited to your place, it means I will just have to go to bars drink that cold beer and have the intelligent stimulating conversation with mere drunken mortals.
I wonder if they will know as much about everything as you.
Apocalypse69
I also sent my daughter to Montessori for the social aspect. She is 4 year and 4 months old now and didn't speak anything until 3 years old. Still can't speak Indo tthough (maybe that's a blessing lol).
I have a son who is 15 months old. I really don't want him to be as backward as her but without knowing the reason why, is difficult
Markit
Is it me?
This PSB is just a the last in a long line of newbies that burst onto the forum after lurking for years and have so much to share that it just froths with inanity and repressed bull crap.
Remember our good friend Gerkin? Attacked everyone and everything until the new meds finally kicked in and now comes and goes with barely a whisper.
Well PSB I have to say your supply of homilies and home truths is running down even faster than Gerkins did. Perhaps your drug tolerance is lower or your manic cycle is winding down. We'll see how it is after the full moon.
Lunacy starts with Luna...
JohnnyCool
[QUOTE][I]Have you got a spare 500 grand to 1 million? That's what you need.[/I][/QUOTE]
A million dollars to live in Bali? I'll have to check my bank balance then, since I've been living here for 20 years and didn't realise that I'm a closet millionaire.
Somebody needs to take a bigger bite out of his reality sandwich. I would suggest chewing it properly before swallowing.
geedee
Probably not, GD. Because they are drunken boofheads and poofs in a bar (listening to Beethoven, Mozart and the rest of those fags) with nothing better to do.
You won't find me there.
If I have nothing to do I will be doing that at home.
Your buddy-buddy visit with MKWT should sort out your lusts for knowledge because he truly believes he knows everything there is to know about living in Bali.
After a visit to his abode you will feel empowered like you never were before.
And you will have been orientated to the East. Trust me - NEVER buy there.
PSW - What is it with you and the homophobic thing , for a Mensan its pretty narrow minded, these composers you mentioned were geniuses in their field.
I have never heard Mozart and Beethoven played in a bar.
If something happened to you in your past I'm sorry, if not I'm confused with your mindset and its pretty sad in my opinion.
Of course I will take up MKT generous offer of his show and tell, you don't need to be a Mensan to work out that's the smart thing to do and you will get the truth without bull****.
As for buying there I'm not ready to buy yet , but am open minded and want to look.
p.s. You sound like a jealous ex girlfiend
Here is a site that may interest you for gay Mensans(yes they are even infiltrating Mensa)
http://www.gaysig.org/
JohnnyCool
"With their teeth half-shown in causeless laughter,
and their efforts at talking so sweetly uncertain,
when children ask to sit on his lap,
a man is blessed, even by the dirt on their bodies."
[I]-- Kalidasa in Shakuntala[/I]
JohnnyCool
To my way of thinking, "super intelligent" people don't need to brag that they're "smarter" than the other 98%.
So, you got into MENSA. So what, who cares and does that mean we have to believe anything [BOLD]you[/BOLD] say more?
It's no surprise that your son doesn't want to talk to you. Why should he? You're too smart for the human unit, right?
[QUOTE]I have spoken with the Gifted Children people (from MENSA) and they never mentioned multi-lingual families but now I see it is an important parameter in the scheme of things.[/QUOTE]
MENSA started in 1945. Had a long time to consider "multi-lingual families". Does that mean that MENSA members aren't as smart as they think they are? Looks like it.
Just out of curiosity, I went to their website and inflicted their training questions on myself. Only got 80% but I wasn't really trying. WTF.
Anybody who wants to become a "member" can get an independent IQ test from a registered psychologist or approved testing service.
I was a registered psychologist in my country (retired now), but I guess I could whip up a fake "report" of
[B]my[/B] test results on nice-looking letterhead paper and join the club.
[QUOTE]One genius is enough, thanks.[/QUOTE]
Of which "genius" do you speak? Enlighten us mere mortals (and non-mensa members).
I viewed this thread because I was brought up in a muli-lingual family. My mother spoke 16 languages and my father seven.
By the age of five, I spoke Lithuanian, German, some Russian and a smattering of English (which improved when I was immersed in a real English-speaking country).
In retrospect, I don't think that exposure to different languages at a young age impeded me in any way that I can think of.
My half-Balinese son went to a Montessori school in Ubud when he was young. Didn't really "learn" anything but that didn't surprise me.
What he got was social stuff (interaction with children of rich expats, Balinese teachers, some handicapped children, and so on).
I thought that that was more important than the actual "curriculum", whatever it was [I]supposed[/I] to be.
Given enough care, support, encouragement, most children adapt pretty quickly to whatever environment they're in.
What happens at home is in the hands of the adults. Children are amazingly resilient. One should never underestimate what they're capable of.
And "seawind"...some of your superciliousness is getting annoying. What are you trying to prove?
:icon_eek:
Apocalypse69
Well I just wanted a thread about speech in mixed families. .Silly me
hafri
Bad hairday Paulseewind? Try some sleep.
JohnnyCool
Apocalypse69 wroteWell I just wanted a thread about speech in mixed families. .Silly me
You're not alone. I share your frustration.
geedee
PSW
"O would some power the gift to give us to see ourselves as others see us" Robert Burns
JohnnyCool
The way you refer to your wife, "[I]She's not exactly the sharpest tool in the tool shed[/I]", says lots about [B]you[/B], your mightiness.
Granted she probably couldn't be as "intelligent" as yourself because she married you in the first place.
I found it amusing that you dissected my original post, took the time and effort to do so, and ended by insulting me.
Real MENSA members don't seem to be good proof-readers (too distracted by their brilliance?)
I [B]was[/B] a psychologist for 23 years. That [B]was[/B] my day job. At night I was a musician and sound engineer.
Sometimes I loathed the prospect of coming across somebody like you, but one does what one has to, as best as one can.
I felt more useful dealing with drug problems, unplanned pregnancies, Vietnamese refugees, adults who couldn't read or write, deaf, blind and disabled people,
and the occasional [I]really[/I] mad person (including other "psychologists", and, perish the thought, psychiatrists).
[QUOTE]I can't help being this way. It's how I was born.[/QUOTE]
Yeah - blame genetics, your parents, destiny for your current state of mind. Did MENSA pick you up as a toddler? Could be a new topic for the research group.
Of course, I haven't met you in person, but off the top of my rusty psychological head, you definitely qualify as "a suitable case for treatment". I'm not joking.
[I]Possible diagnoses:[/I]
Obsessive/compulsive, borderline sociopath (or worse), undiagnosed bi-polar threat, chronic neurosis, delusions of grandeur.
A combination of all or something even more sinister and unfathomable. Wrap it all up in a [I]bungkus[/I] and you [I]might[/I] be schizophrenic.
[I][B]Advice?[/B][/I] Get "help" before it's too late.
[I]Might like to drink whiskey, might like to drink milk - but you gotta serve somebody[/I]
(Hint - not always yourself.)
Hope the New Year is kinder to you...
sakumabali
JohnnyCool wroteA million dollars to live in Bali? I'll have to check my bank balance then, since I've been living here for 20 years and didn't realise that I'm a closet millionaire.
Somebody needs to take a bigger bite out of his reality sandwich. I would suggest chewing it properly before swallowing.
haha Johnny Cool the reason you don't need the 500 grand is that you probably have bought evth many years ago ... seriously for a newcomer who need to buy a house, start a business, buy a car, have some dough on the bank left for life expenses I don't think 500 is too high. Bali getting more and more expensive
JohnnyCool
Well I've re-learned one thing sparring with you. Intelligent-sounding fools aren't much better than normal ones.
Thanks for reminding me.
If anybody pushed someone's button too hard, maybe it was me pushing yours.
I didn't "start" anything. (Add an extra dose of paranoia to my list.)
If I sound "venomous" to you, maybe I'm an upright, non-millionaire walking snake in real life with a Balinese driver's licence.
I think you'll find, (eventually), that not many people want to be on the same page as you.
Feeling a bit lonely lately? Get help.
Are you related to Donald Trump by any chance?
Nevertheless, I still wish you a better new year and hope that your brain doesn't explode in the meantime.
:frog::frog:
JohnnyCool
Give up, amigo.
I grant you that some psychologists can be bad for your health, like fat smoking heart specialists.
The bottom line is this, with respect to you, as far as I am concerned: I don't like your attitude.
OK?
Natasha
paulseawind wroteNTSH, this is very insightful for me, and thanks very much for the information. It's been a long time since I dealt with toddlers (my son is 28 now). I had a business arrangement with Dr Christopher Green, Child Psychologist from Camperdown Hospital way back then. He was most informative on toddlers (ours was around that age at the time) and Chris wrote the book 'Toddler Taming' which was a big hit. But he never spoke (to me) about multi-lingual or the like. He was more into their behaviour and put his funny Irish slant onto it. Does your daughter still exhibit the normal behavioural traits of a toddler? I'd expect so, but with some interesting differences. However, with their ability to [I]choose the language[/I], at that age, depending on who they are talking with, is quite fascinating. I have been a member of MENSA since May 1982 and I never heard of this. I have spoken with the Gifted Children people (from MENSA) and they never mentioned multi-lingual families but now I see it is an important parameter in the scheme of things. It can only be a good thing.
I think babies, toddlers, and young children learn languages differently and much more easily than adults do learning a new or second language. I don't think a toddler is particularly "gifted" if they learn more than one language, it's that they've been given the opportunity to do so. Many societies are multilingual, look at Indonesia for example, majority of Indonesians speak at least 2 languages, if not more, and majority of them learned at least 2 languages starting at a very young age.
Markit
paulseawind wroteThanks for your post. [COLOR=#ff0000]You are such a wonderfully humble and grateful person Paul the mind simply boggles with gushing humbleness. [/COLOR]
I can not comment on the majority of Indonesians at all [COLOR=#ff0000]Shock! Horror! Why not? Clearly you know them all personally[/COLOR], seeing that the population of 255 million is spread on most of the 14,000+ islands that make up this country.[COLOR=#ff0000] Wow! Glad you could clear that up for us, the rest of the untutored world thinks it's 16,000 + but what's 2000 islands. [/COLOR]
Granted, around half live on Java but I have no idea what they all speak. [COLOR=#ff0000]Let's push the boat out... and guess. Indonesian?[/COLOR] Up in the mountains, who knows? [COLOR=#ff0000]Mountain Indonesian?[/COLOR]
I agree that younger people tend to soak things up quicker than a much older person. [COLOR=#ff0000][/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]That humble gush is just... humbling. [/COLOR]
Happy New Year, and be safe.[COLOR=#ff0000] sounds a bit scarey doesn't it? do you know something she doesn't??? [/COLOR]
Happy Asshole, New Year!
Markit
paulseawind wroteThere you go again, doing what you think is the best response for the forum. [COLOR=#ff0000]Na, just wanted to wind you up a bit - works don't it?[/COLOR]
You're a laughable joke. At your age you should have a lot more maturity than that. But you don't have it.[COLOR=#ff0000] Why? Tell me one good thing maturity has done for you and that is evident in your endlessly boring posts. [/COLOR]
Not only was that from you unnecessary but it was not even funny nor was it informative. [COLOR=#ff0000]Says who. I thought it was pretty funny and it informed newbies to the forum what the most prolific member here thinks of you... not fecking much![/COLOR]
What did you write before the grog? "purely an interest in learning about and passing on knowledge of Bali, with a few side jaunts"[COLOR=#ff0000] Different thread dude - is it all beginning to fade together? Time for the meds again or is nursey coming to take away the keyboard?[/COLOR]
Where does this fit in with your previous 'telling the people'. [COLOR=#ff0000]You mistake me for Lenin - same beard and constipated look. [/COLOR]
It's a good, everyday example of how you are. [COLOR=#ff0000]Oh, that hurts! No prob I give everyday examples pretty much every day. Between your spouting about airplanes (Balinese themed?) and attacking various other here you may not have noticed?[/COLOR]
A loud mouth who just loves to hear himself talk - about anything. [COLOR=#ff0000]Loud finger if you please and yes, I know absolutely everything (that I need to know about you). [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000][/COLOR]
An abusive loud mouth.
Who thinks he knows everything.
Who thinks what he publishes is 'just right'.
Hey, I really pressed [U]your[/U] button. [COLOR=#ff0000]Not even on the same panel. [/COLOR]
How can you seriously consider yourself to be a good forum member and advise others how they should behave when you do this c r a p. [COLOR=#ff0000]Forum members are noted for there ability to talk about things Bali - not airplanes. [/COLOR]
C'mon - think about it.
You poked your nose into something that had zip to do with you, just to be obnoxious and extremely crass and rude.
You can't handle any rebuking. You just 'lose it'.[COLOR=#ff0000] God, you have it. Good bye cruel world. [/COLOR]
That says a lot about [B]you[/B]. (I stole that line) [COLOR=#ff0000]Na, just borrowed it, I'll use it again. [/COLOR]
Are you all grogged up right now? On your beloved Bintangs. They seem to rule your life to a certain extent. You mention them often. Beer worshipper. 'A case of binny's'.
You are a joke. And this shows why.
Nobody else here does that kind of thing, AFAIK.
I could go on but there is no point. Go and sleep it off. And don't drive for at least 24 hours. I wouldn't want you harming someone else.
I gotta wonder why you put up with so much abuse? Everyone is picking on poor old PSB... What did you do before you burst upon this forum? Shoplifting, stamp collecting, masturbation marathons? You must just love being "picked on"? Poor deluded man...
