davita
On Aug 12-14, in Jakarta, a Congress of Indonesia Diaspora will meet. On the agenda will be a discussion on the Dual Citizenship revision on mixed nationality children after attaining the age of 18- 21 when, currently, they have to decide on which Citizenship to keep.
This will be of importance to those of mixed marriage with young children.
I'll keep my eye out for further development but, if others see any info, it will be appreciated to post here.
Nydave
This is of great interest to me.as my son has 3 citizenships,i keep wondering how do the authorities know if a child or indeed anyone has more than one ,is there a way they can find out,i mean do governments from different countrys pass this type of info to each other,or more simply said is there a means of finding out other than asking someone do you have more than one ,
davita
Generally, when a country has dual citizenship the question doesn't arise but, as Indonesia doesn't for adults, it becomes an honor system to declare until applying for an RI passport....where it is a declaration question.
FWIW I know a few Indonesians who managed to keep dual-citizenship by hiding that they acquired a new one...probably by returning to RI to renew that passport as if a single citizen.
Markit
No one knows if you have dual or even triple citizenship. My daughter also has 3 like the son above. No [I]normal[/I] country at this moment cares about the number of passports you may have (unless the number is 0).
Why should they care it's only a travel document - but some 3rd world countries still believe that it says something about your loyalty hahaha
I'm also told that should you need to give up one of your [I]normal[/I] passports, for instance, to take on 3rd world citizen ship then most normal countries will "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" let you have your real passport back after you have your 3rd world passport. Make sure you ask first though - the real country, of course.
davita
Australia, USA, UK, Canada, Germany, France, Belgium all allow dual or multi-citizenship. It's Indonesia that doesn't permit dual citizenship for adults. Hopefully the Diaspora meeting next week may sway change. Apparently there are some 4 million Indonesians outside of Indonesia, having other citizenships, and some would like to return but cannot, due to this rule.
A friend of mine became an Indonesian Citizen but his origin (UK) only questioned him as he was in their New Years Honours list for some award...he said keep the award but he also did what Markit advised above. After becoming Indonesian he got a new UK passport and hid that from the Government of Indonesia.
UK didn't care but I suspect if some Indonesians found out, and wanted to make trouble for him, that could happen.
Nydave
Thank to both of you guys,see it pays to ask questions,and to get personal experiences or advice from those more versed in Indonesian law than I am,,my sons first passport was Indonesian,how we achieved this I would have to divulge personal and private details which I don't want published on a public forum,im sure you guys understand that,but from both replies I feel a whole lot better,thank you guys it means a lot to me,
davita
There's no need to disclose anything private Nydave but any general observation, that could help others, is a useful post.
If your son is an RI citizen (by whatever means), and he is also a citizen of another country, that is supposed to be disclosed... but I doubt any parent does that. Mixed marriage dual-citizen children have some restrictions.
If you obtain for him an RI 10 year passport, whilst he's still a juvenile, and keep mum about his other citizenship, he will be middle-aged :lemo: before it needs renewed. At renewal, currently, he will be asked to declare if he is a citizen of another country...and who knows what can happen during those intervening years.
I'd keep a look-out for any development, on this matter, from the meeting next week....as will I.
tintin
What happened with your latest post Markit, you had the hiccup?
Nydave
I think the problem can arise when travelling,i read a case some time ago,about someone who left the country on their RI passport and when they returned they used a foreign one,why anyone would do this makes no sence but thats what they did,so maybe arriving into rI and carrying another passport can be a problem,sure you can try hiding it but if you have ticked the NO box on the arrivals form and if you get searched and they find it then it might be a problem,i have read about people who courier their passports in advance to their destinations,rather than have them in their possession,im sure there are other ways of dealing with it,
Question,,
As foreigners arriving in Indonesia,
What would happen if we checked the YES box on the arrivals form,
Does it matter that we are citizens of a couple of other countries,
Of course I know it would mean something completely different for my son,
Markit
Why do people have this insane urge to void their minds when arriving in a foreign country?
Do not tell the people at immigration any more than Good Morning/Afternoon/evening. Anything more is asking for trouble.
What is this fearful "yes" box that you feel the urge to tick?
I've traveled the world for years with 2 nationalities and never had a problem as most countries fully accept that as normal. The few that don't will generally not do a full body search when you come in without due cause.
Do you travel with roach clips or coke spoons on your key ring? Or answer "yes" to silly questions?
If you want to live in Indonesia, ne most of the 3rd world, it's really best to actively embrace chaos and make it work for you. For instance on a bet once coming into DPS I gave the immi guy my old Disney Mouseketeers Club ID. He thought that was fecking hilarious and I should be getting out of jail any month soon. When stopped by the cops I give them a photoshopped picture of me and Bangbang arm in arm (thing to self, must change that to Jokowi and me) but you see what I mean?
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Why do people have this insane urge to void their minds when arriving in a foreign country?
Do not tell the people at immigration any more than Good Morning/Afternoon/evening. Anything more is asking for trouble.
What is this fearful "yes" box that you feel the urge to tick?
I've traveled the world for years with 2 nationalities and never had a problem as most countries fully accept that as normal. The few that don't will generally not do a full body search when you come in without due cause.
Do you travel with roach clips or coke spoons on your key ring? Or answer "yes" to silly questions?
If you want to live in Indonesia, ne most of the 3rd world, it's really best to actively embrace chaos and make it work for you. For instance on a bet once coming into DPS I gave the immi guy my old Disney Mouseketeers Club ID. He thought that was fecking hilarious and I should be getting out of jail any month soon. When stopped by the cops I give them a photoshopped picture of me and Bangbang arm in arm (thing to self, must change that to Jokowi and me) but you see what I mean?
Nydave
First I only asked a question,what if ??,nothing more,to make it sound like I have the urge to tick the yes box gives me the impression you didn't read what I said correctly or you are just being your normal self,the yes box is on one of the forms we all fill out while still on the flight ,im not sure how its worded cant remember although I deal with it a couple of times a year as we all do,,but basically it means are you carrying more than one passport, so out of curiosity I asked what would the authorities do or say if someone checked the yes box,as we are foreigners and are entitled to have as many as we want provided we don't have an RI one,then why should it matter to them,i agree that anyone would have be pretty stupid to do so,however I don't consider myself to be in that category,
davita
Re: post #8 by Nydave.
I'm confused...what is this Yes/No box you refer?
I have dual citizenship but don't recall being asked on arrival Indonesia. The Arrival/Departure forms are no longer used but even when they were they didn't have that question....
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davita
There are some comments about the conference in today's news.
The Vice-President made a speech as did the Foreign Minister. Both seemed to be full of 'what the overseas Indonesians can do for RI but not much about what can Indonesia do for them.'
I was wrong in assessing 4 million Indonesians live abroad...it's reported nearer to 8 Million and they contributed, by remittance, some US$8.4 billion to the RI economy in 2014.
The only tangible comment is to issue Diaspora ID cards to determine where they live and what skills and experience they could provide to the motherland....see link below
I haven't heard of the issue of dual-national children but not sure where it will be on the agenda....the meeting continues so maybe some more substantive report will become available.
davita
Latest news from President Widodo's visit to USA is he has pledged the Indonesian diaspora there he'll pay more attention to allow Dual- Citizenship to Indonesians currently living abroad.
"I will push for (Dual Citizenship). It can be settled soon." he is reported to say.
Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi (who I met at an Idul Fitri party in July) said "If the President has said so, it means that the direction is already clear now."
I'll task her on that next time we meet.
link:
Jokowi pledges to allow dual citizenship for Indonesians abroad | The Jakarta Post
