freeman
I need to get an Australian Statutory Declaration witnessed by an Authorized person here in Bali.I know that the following occupations/persons listed below can act as Authorized Witnesses under normal circumstances, but I want to know if they can do it here in Bali, and if so, I want to find an individual who will do it for me. If anyone knows they can do this here in Bali can you please contact me by PM?I know the Consulate does it but they charge $20 per signature, for something which is a free service back home in Australia. I would like to avoid the Consular fee if possible.A statutory declaration under the Statutory Declarations Act 1959 may be made before-(1) a person who is currently licensed or registered under a law to practise in one of the following occupations:ChiropractorDentistLegal practitionerMedical practitionerNurseOptometristPatent attorneyPharmacistPhysiotherapistPsychologistTrade marks attorneyVeterinary surgeon(2) a person who is enrolled on the roll of the Supreme Court of a State or Territory, or the High Court of Australia, as a legal practitioner (however described); or(3) a person who is in the following list:Agent of the Australian Postal Corporation who is in charge of an office supplying postal services to the publicAustralian Consular Officer or Australian Diplomatic Officer (within the meaning of the Consular Fees Act 1955)BailiffBank officer with 5 or more continuous years of serviceBuilding society officer with 5 or more years of continuous serviceChief executive officer of a Commonwealth courtClerk of a courtCommissioner for AffidavitsCommissioner for DeclarationsCredit union officer with 5 or more years of continuous serviceEmployee of the Australian Trade Commission who is:(a) in a country or place outside Australia; and(b) authorised under paragraph 3 (d) of the Consular Fees Act 1955; and(c) exercising his or her function in that placeEmployee of the Commonwealth who is:(a) in a country or place outside Australia; and(b) authorised under paragraph 3 (c) of the Consular Fees Act 1955; and(c) exercising his or her function in that placeFellow of the National Tax Accountants' AssociationFinance company officer with 5 or more years of continuous serviceHolder of a statutory office not specified in another item in this listJudge of a courtJustice of the PeaceMagistrateMarriage celebrant registered under Subdivision C of Division 1 of Part IV of the Marriage Act 1961Master of a courtMember of Chartered Secretaries AustraliaMember of Engineers Australia, other than at the grade of studentMember of the Association of Taxation and Management AccountantsMember of the Australasian Institute of Mining and MetallurgyMember of the Australian Defence Force who is:(a) an officer; or(b) a non-commissioned officer within the meaning of the Defence Force Discipline Act 1982 with 5 or more years of continuous service; or(c) a warrant officer within the meaning of that ActMember of the Institute of Chartered Accountants in Australia, the Australian Society of Certified Practising Accountants or the National Institute of AccountantsMember of:(a) the Parliament of the Commonwealth; or(b) the Parliament of a State; or(c) a Territory legislature; or(d) a local government authority of a State or TerritoryMinister of religion registered under Subdivision A of Division 1 of Part IV of the Marriage Act 1961Notary publicPermanent employee of the Australian Postal Corporation with 5 or more years of continuous service who is employed in an office supplying postal services to the publicPermanent employee of:(a) the Commonwealth or a Commonwealth authority; or(b) a State or Territory or a State or Territory authority; or(c) a local government authority;with 5 or more years of continuous service who is not specified in another item in this listPerson before whom a statutory declaration may be made under the law of the State or Territory in which the declaration is madePolice officerRegistrar, or Deputy Registrar, of a courtSenior Executive Service employee of:(a) the Commonwealth or a Commonwealth authority; or(b) a State or Territory or a State or Territory authoritySheriffSheriff's officerTeacher employed on a full-time basis at a school or tertiary education institution
JohnnyCool
[I]...but I want to know if they can do it here in Bali, and if so, I want to find an individual who will do it for me.[/I][/QUOTE]I successfully got a local vet to witness one a few years ago, (but she knew me). I don't know anybody right now who would fit the bill for you.Maybe try your doctor, (if you have one).Otherwise, you might have to cough-up the Rp 200,000 at the Consulate.:icon_cry:
davita
From UK and Canada I often need documents, signatures and passports verified as true copies. Any Bali Notary suffices for that. Just make sure the address, telephone or email of the notary is indicated in case the recipient needs to contact as genuine. To my knowedge that has never been needed.
gilbert de jong
my best guess is a notary on Bali (legalizing a document), since a statutory declaration is considered a legal document, and if I am not mistaken all of the examples (who can witness) above, are examples when within the Australian Commonwealt/Australian Capital Territory...
davita
According to the link below it appears that Australia would require a notary established under Australian law to take a declaration.Looks like you will need to approach the Australian Consul in Bali.http://www.ema.gov.au/www/agd/rwpattach.nsf/VAP/(966BB47E522E848021A38A20280E2386)~Statutory+Declaration+Information+Sheet+-May2011.pdf/$file/Statutory+Declaration+Information+Sheet+-May2011.pdf
Fred2
I have used a notary with no problems & pay Rp100,000Nothing in free in Indonesia.
Lea
Hello Freeman,I am an Australian living in Bali...Back home I was a Sheriff Officer/Bailiff....But not sure since living in Bali if I can still witness for you,as I have witnessed many documents ...legal/court etc....
JohnnyCool
That's [B]half[/B] the price the Australian Consulate in Denpasar is charging.[I]Some[/I] things are "free" in Australia. Don't know why the Consulate here charges so much for, basically, sweet FA.It's not [I]that[/I] hard to witness a signature.Getting there in the first place, lining up, talking to some bozo behind the bomb-proof glass before they let you in, getting scanned for bombs/drugs inside, answering the question of where you stay/live here, surrendering your car keys/cigarette lighter/coins in your pocket, going through the x-ray scanner, maybe getting frisked, put your stuff through the locker (without getting your hand cut off), and you get a necklace tag so you can walk to the main section.A visit to a local doctor/dentist/vet/notarist/pharmacist/police chief would be less painful (and cheaper). Maybe cancel the police chief.:icon_eek:
JohnnyCool
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JohnnyCool
...my best guess is a notary on Bali (legalizing a document), since a statutory declaration is considered a legal document, and if I am not mistaken all of the examples (who can witness) above, are examples when within the Australian Commonwealt/Australian Capital Territory...[/QUOTE]Yes and no.The Indonesian "equivalents" are OK, too.
Fred2
A lawyer in Surabaya wanted to charge me 7mill, cheaper to fly back to Australia & have the document signed.
alex margou
From UK and Canada I often need documents, signatures and passports verified as true copies. Any Bali Notary suffices for that. Just make sure the address, telephone or email of the notary is indicated in case the recipient needs to contact as genuine. To my knowedge that has never been needed.[/QUOTE]Slightly different experience when opening a UK offshore bank account from here, and needing a photocopy of my passport to be certified. Nationwide International Isle of Man didn't accept a notaris from Tabanan - Bank of Ireland Isle of Man did!
lumumba
I do understand the situation but it is only 200.000 and the minimum you can pay, by looking at the previous posts, is 100.000. I would not have any further headache. If I was you I would have it done at consulate you.
gilbert de jong
Yes and no.The Indonesian "equivalents" are OK, too.[/QUOTE]so basically what you're saying anyone on Bali can do it :)
JohnnyCool
so basically what you're saying anyone on Bali can do it :)[/QUOTE][B]Not[/B] anyone - people in equivalent positions - doctors, dentists, vets, school headmasters, etc.
freeman
Thanks for all the advice everyone.JohnnyCool: Yeah I hear you on the Consulate security. I actually did go in there last week to get it done and that's when I discovered the 200,000 rp fee. The security is just ridiculously over the top. The final joke is right at the end when you go to get all your stuff back that they wouldn't let you take in. You hand your paper receipt through the little fort-like slot in the 1m thick concrete walls and they say "okay bye bye go outside now" and you're thinking "hang on - I just gave you my receipt - where's my stuff???". So you leave the Consulate and you're standing around outside going WTF! and finally a security guard walks out carrying all your bits in his hands and hands them over on the street in public! The only place to put it all down to repack it all is the little bench over the sewer drain and you're lucky if you get everything packed again without having to go fishing over the side for your motorbike keys!!! What is going on with Australia???While I'm in the subject of ridiculous Australian security let me just have a further rant about the Australian Consulate Visa Application Centre in Jimbaran! You got me going now JohnnyCool! So you go along to this Application Centre (a damned disgrace that this is outsourced to private enterprise at all, but that's another subject), which is located on the top floor of a deserted shopping centre (guess it must have been cheap rent) with all this empty space and empty shops all around you, and you get to the front door and there's a security guard who politely tells you you can't take anything inside except your documents!!! Nothing! Now ordinarily, when you go to a supermarket like Tiara and they also have this reasonable policy, its not a problem, because they have a friendly security counter or lockers where you can safely stow your personal belongings while you shop. Not so at the over-the-top security conscious Australian Visa Application Centre!!! No! There is no security desk or lockers to leave your stuff. You have to leave everything sitting outside, on the floor of the shopping centre, un-ticketted, unattended, unsecured, unchecked, un-anything!!! Computers, mobile phones, everything!! Yeah I'm sure the friendly security guard probably does his best to watch it all, piled up there on the arcade floor, but imagine being asked to keep track of maybe 30 or 40 peoples belongings piled up with no check in tickets, tags or anything??? Is our Australian immigration department so tight arsed that they can't even give this poor security guard a few lockers or wooden boxes for people to stow their valuables?? Is this guy really made responsible for all this??? It's an absolute joke! I pity the poor guy. I am sure they do not pay him enough to be responsible for all this stuff. But the penny pinching doesn't stop there. While waiting in line for my turn to see the staff, I saw a guy come out of the back office into the reception area with a tray of glasses. He came out and went to the Aqua water dispenser in the customer service area, and neatly made cups of tea for all the staff and went back into the back office. Excuse me, am I to believe our Australian Government is so stingy that it does not give the office staff in this Centre their own water dispenser, and they gave to come out and use the customers' dispenser when ever they get thirsty??? What??? It's like the government is thinking "well we better give the customers something to drink, but don't worry about the staff - make them bring their own - save money".Anyway, where was I??Lumumba: I was tempted to pay the money and just get it done at the Consulate but you know what? Out of principle I refuse. You know how much they are charging for a Partner Visa for my partner? nearly $3,000. Damned if I am going to pay these guys one more red cent than I need to. You'd think this Consulate could offer something as simple as a signature for free, just as a nice little service to show Aussies that they do care and will help. They want $20 for something that they are not even allowed to charge for back home in oz? No way. It's just too much to take. It's user-pays gone mad. Gilbert: I took the list from the Stat Dec instructions themselves, and there was nothing there to say that these people only had authority when in their own country, so I will assume they also have authority wherever they happen to find themselves. I might try a local notary too, as per your advice.Davita: I could not get that link to work - are you able to check it? Thanks.Thanks everyone once againFReeman
no.idea
I was in charge of building the Australian Consulate in Denpasar in 2007. It is a direct copy of the previous Australian Consulate built in Colombo. This was when all the hassles were happening in Sri Lanka so the security needed there was copied for the Denpasar building.What made me laugh during construction was the fact that there are 3 three story buildings adjoining the consulate grounds. It is not secure at all. The walls are 300mm thick and are bomb resistant (allegedly bomb proof). The windows are 32mm thick bullet proof glass. They can not be shattered.The real giggle is that the windows can be removed from the outside of the building using a jemmy bar and a 12mm socket. There are around 30 cctv cameras protecting the building. They were all strategically placed by a German security expert. However it is possible to climb over the back fence and walk to the front gate without being seen on any of the cameras.Yep, the security is ridiculous.
davita
Quote from Freeman post#16Davita: I could not get that link to work - are you able to check it? Thanks.Sorry Freeman!You are correct. I simply copy/pasted some thing I found but, as you and no.idea eloquently say....nothing much from Australia really works. This is evidenced in my street where many young Australians surf during the day.......then drink beer and play loud music at night.I'm so jealous!
