Markit
By "going to the government" you mean tax I suppose?
Indo is not very good at collecting that as most people don't pay and the control organization is "prone" to making errors of a personal nature.
I would be very suspect of any statistics you find as the same organization (Indo gov) is charged with making those too. Google "Bali by the numbers" for up to date info. No guarantee for it's veracity though.
ronb
Well the $152 per day is believable and most of it goes on hotels, restaurants, local transport, tourist activities like elephant riding, whitewater rafting, whatever, and of course shopping. For some of this expenditure, tax is being collected (Hotels, up-market restaurants, tourist attractions) usually at the nominal rate of 10% but of course all these businesses are good at tax minimization. so the government take from the $152 would be well under $15.
Nydave
Recently I have been doing some research into the number of foreign tourists who visit Bali each year,the most recent figures I found were for 2013,
In 2013 they have the figures at 3.27 million,and they have it broken down what each person spends per trip and so on,
Average length of trip is 7.5 days
Average amount spent per person per trip is $1,142 ( = $152 per day )
So lets do the math,3.27 million x $1,142 = $3,734,340,000,,(do check my numbers as im prone to making mistakes,)
My question,
Does anyone on here have any idea what percentage of this money goes to the Government in Jakarta,and what percentage stays on the Island,
I also read that they are expecting to break the 4 million foreign tourists mark this year so obviously the $$$ numbers will be much higher,
Nydave
I like that Spicy,very good,and im pretty sure the story applies here too in reality, makes me wonder if there should be a Jokes section here on the forum?
Nydave
So lets assume that half of the businesses pay the taxes,that adds up to quite a hefty sum of money,
And I cant help wondering what happens to that money,where does it go to,what is it spent on,there are areas where the manhole covers in the side walks are cracked and falling down into the ground and indeed many are completely missing and have been like this for several years,right in tourist areas,the lack of anequate water supply in some areas and the continuous power outages,surely if they wish to attract more and more tourists to the Island shouldn`t they address these issues,instead of bringing in more people to to further stretch the already inadequate supplies,i think its time to start putting something back into the Island,there is an interesting documentary by Al Jazeera available online about Bali,and in it the tourists are blamed for everything,like for example sometimes we see a lot of floating garbage on some rivers and streams,in the show its all blamed on the tourists,sure some tourists may be contributing to the mess but if they are taking these high amounts of money from tourism shouldn`t there be a system in place for dealing with situations like this,
spicyayam
A Chinese bureaucrat, an Indonesian bureaucrat and an African bureaucrat walk into a bar. They’ve known each other for years, having met every year at UN conferences, and they’ve become friends.
But, talking over drinks, they realize that they’ve only ever met at conferences. So the Chinese bureaucrat suggests that after the next one, in Beijing, they come to his house to relax for a few days.
They all agree, and when the next conference ends, they set off. They get a plane at Beijing’s airport, fly to a provincial city and speed off down a pristine six-lane highway to a large house in the suburbs.
"This is a really nice house," the African bureaucrat says. "How did you afford it on your government salary?"
"Well, did you see that new highway we drove on? I just took some money from the project and spent it on the house."
The other bureaucrats nod, obviously impressed. For the next few days the three men have a wonderful time, and agree to meet again after the next summit, this time at the Indonesian bureaucrat’s house.
A year goes by, the conference ends and they set off. They fly from the airport in Jakarta to a little provincial town. Then they jolt down a long, potholed road until they get to a large mansion.
The Chinese bureaucrat, obviously impressed, asks how the Indonesian bureaucrat could have afforded it. The Indonesian bureaucrat replies, "Well, did you see that highway we drove on? I just took some money out of the project and spent it on the house."
A year later they are in Africa, and they all agree to head to the African bureaucrat’s house. They go to the airport, and fly to a smaller airport in the middle of the jungle. From there they board a helicopter and fly over a pristine jungle to a large palace surrounded by military guards. They look out over trees as far as the eye can see.
The Indonesian and Chinese bureaucrats are amazed, and they are both eager to know how he managed to afford such a palace.
"Well, did you see that highway we drove on?" the African bureaucrat asks.
ronb
Nydave wrote..............
And I cant help wondering what happens to that money,where does it go to,what is it spent on,there are areas where the manhole covers in the side walks are cracked and falling down into the ground and indeed many are completely missing and have been like this for several years,right in tourist areas,the lack of anequate water supply in some areas and the continuous power outages,surely if they wish to attract more and more tourists to the Island shouldn`t they address these issues,instead of bringing in more people to to further stretch the already inadequate supplies,i think its time to start putting something back into the Island,there is an interesting documentary by Al Jazeera available online about Bali,and in it the tourists are blamed for everything,like for example sometimes we see a lot of floating garbage on some rivers and streams,in the show its all blamed on the tourists,sure some tourists may be contributing to the mess but if they are taking these high amounts of money from tourism shouldn`t there be a system in place for dealing with situations like this,
You seem to assume some bureaucrat will say - well $X of our tax revenue came from tourism in Bali so maybe we should spend those $ back there. I have never seen a government operate like this.
So the government of RI spends money on health, education, military, police, infrastructure and subsidies for some foods like rice, some fuels like the small LPG cylinders for home cooking and electricity to small homes, etc etc. They do fund local administrations who in turn are responsible for roads and footpaths.
Nydave
so where does the money for this type of thing come from,
Nydave
I realize that this comment doesn't belong here on this thread,but I made a comment earlier about tourists being blamed for everything bad that happens in Bali,i read yesterday on the Globe that they are now considering a complete ban on adoptions of children to foreigners because the lady who adopted the little 8 year old girl who was murdered was at one time married to a foreigner,who from what I read previously has been deceased for a couple of years,so seems once again foreigners are to blame,even after we are dead,
Markit
Indonesia seems more prone than most to making public opinion on the fly. For instance the newly opined idea of allowing foreigners to own property here. There's been months, if not years, of "they can", "they can't", "only upstairs", etc. Fact is no government law has come out to regulate it - yet.
Most governments do this - first throw out some wild-ass idea and see what the public thinks about it, but as said above, Indo seems more prone to this than most.
And for all those living in a foreign country, you better [U]get used to being the Bogeyman[/U] - see what they say about foreigners in your own country - is that any better?
