spicyayam
Before the crackdown on places selling alcohol I said to my wife we should try to do things proper and get the licence to sell alcohol. It wasn't too difficult to get at the time. Now it is up for renewal it seems like there is some "extra" paperwork required. Most of the hotels and guesthouses around me have never bothered getting a licence.
All the shops here I know of no longer sell alcohol, even the ones that apparently had a licence. But reading people's posts on FB it seems some small shops are selling it. Sounds like another new "gray" area has opened up in Indonesia.
mugwump
It seems to have varied by area. In Pekutatan in West Bali with tokos and small markets there is absolutely no beer for sale! In Seminyak-Canggu area (with more tourists) things seem the same as usual.
Mark
mugwump wroteIt seems to have varied by area. In Pekutatan in West Bali with tokos and small markets there is absolutely no beer for sale! In Seminyak-Canggu area (with more tourists) things seem the same as usual.
That's a real pity, as it is the owners of the small markets and warungs who need the money provided by beer sales to survive.
Markit
Here in the East it's mixed bag. After the initial news of the ban all beer disappeared from the Indo Marets and all small warungs and stores. Then there was the confrontation in DPS with some Gov official/minister and he said Bali would be a "special" case and then came out with a list of 16 areas/banjar where it was then legal to sell beer.
Candi Dasa and the nearby Ujung were both on that list.
Problem is nobody bothered to tell the owners/managers of the warung and Indomarets about this and therefore they are mostly all still dry.
Upside is that my usual warung now is too scared to stock the beer and so when I go by wanting a case the madam whispers that her husband will deliver it secretly to my house.
Cool! I don't have to lug cases of beer around. Go Java Gov!!
Ujung has 1 warung... and it's Muslim
Nydave
Latest on alcohol ban,i haven't read this or seen it for myself but my wife assures me that she watched the news very early this morning,and I have no reason to doubt her,
Seems there is now a new minister in whatever dept that controls the alcohol,and the first thing he did was revert back to the old system therefore over ruling the ban on the sale of alcohol,so now the law has gone back to what it was a couple of months ago before the ban,
So my fellow members rest assured BINTANG will be back in the coolers of all the mini markets and all the other places it was sold previously,
Lets hope this time the government remembers to notify the stores of the change in the law
spicyayam
Yes, apparently the ban has been lifted in Jakarta. Haven't seen it back for sale yet at our local stores.
SamD
Nydave wroteLatest on alcohol ban,i haven't read this or seen it for myself but my wife assures me that she watched the news very early this morning,and I have no reason to doubt her,
Seems there is now a new minister in whatever dept that controls the alcohol,and the first thing he did was revert back to the old system therefore over ruling the ban on the sale of alcohol,so now the law has gone back to what it was a couple of months ago before the ban,
So my fellow members rest assured BINTANG will be back in the coolers of all the mini markets and all the other places it was sold previously,
Lets hope this time the government remembers to notify the stores of the change in the law
Praise The Lord!
My local supplier in Tampak Siring was dry when I visited in July - had to source from Ubud, a long trip.
Nydave
Do you think its only for Jakarta,im asking because as I said the only info I have is what I got from my wife,im in Ny now and tried googling it but got nothing new,also nothing mentioned on either the Jakarta Post or Globe,
Markit
I tried to find something too but no luck here...?
mugwump
Get this for consistency: Circle K sells beer in Seminyak, but Alpha Mart doesn't?
Markit
This government just gets worse and worse - I almost (only almost) wish they'd stood by their stupid regulations. Just to show a little backbone at the least but not only are they remarkably indecisive but they also can't make up their (for want of a better word) minds to stick with it once they've shat and fallen back in it...
davita
I agree with Markit...this government should be humiliated at the flip-flops they've done.
I guess they are still congratulating themselves for their resolute, stonefast execution of those foreigners who they said made their young citizens drug addicts...even tho' the rest of the world plead for their lives, including the Sec. Gen. of UN.
I read some statistics that even those devils are now buried.......drug addiction in RI has increased.
Nydave
Article in the Jakarta Post,,,Jakarta set to regulate liquor sales,,,i think its sunday paper,however its not very informative,,check it out,to me its not clear if the changes are only going to happen in Jakarta or the whole country,,,
spicyayam
This is the one I was talking about:
Beer to return to Jakarta minimarkets | Latest News From Bali | The Beat Daily
[COLOR=#000000][FONT=Times New Roman]The move was prompted by the trade ministry’s reversal of their decision to heavily restrict alcohol sales as a package aimed at stimulating the economy.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Times New Roman]
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[COLOR=#000000][FONT=Times New Roman]The governor expressed concerns about unintended consequences of sale restrictions such as bootleg alcohol and that criminalizing the sale of alcohol would lead to more criminals.
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[COLOR=#000000][FONT=Times New Roman]The new regulation by the trade ministry will hand over control of sales permits to local governments.
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mugwump
Nydave you have a point about tourists not needing a bank account, but realize that numerous people using a tourist visa and have cash for whatever purpose would find a bank account a good place to keep it until needed. BNI is a good bet if a person doesn't have a KITAS, however they still require a sponsor that has had a BNI account for six months.
When I was exporting goods to the US I needed cash to make a deal and had to always carry more than I found comfortable.
This new bank account access will be welcomed by many in a variety of situations where credit cards, ATM's and travelers checks just aren't the answer. (This includes a lot of perfectly legal situations before anyone gets the wrong idea.)
Nydave
Like everyone else on here I cant understand how this Government operates or how they think,or should I say how they don't think,
I understand that they are concerned about the young people drinking too much,but how they approached the alcohol ban made no sence,
Why didn't they make it compulsory for people to show id in the stores when buying alcohol,if your under 21 then sorry you cant buy it,
Put the responsibility on the store operators ,we have that system here in the States for several years and it seems to work,
Instead they imposed a complete ban on sales of alcohol,by doing so they penalized the majority of people for the wrong doing of a very small minority,
Also but on a slightly different note but still associated to this thread,when a business is doing good then the government should be making money from the taxes they get from those successful companies,
Take for instance Bintang,I read an article some months ago like 3 months after the ban was made law,that bintang sales had dropped by almost 43% in the first 3 months and that they were considering laying off as many as 1,500 workers,i never got a follow up on this so I don't know if they did lay off workers,
My point is this government is desperate to attract foreign investment,but yet they effectively hand cuffed a very successful company (bintang) from operating properly and therefore causeing unemployment and losing the tax money they received from that company,perhaps now they realize the mistakes they made and possibly this is part of the reason for the flip flop,bintang is only one company we all know there are several more out there with the same problems,all added up im sure it was a big loss for the government,
Another point which has nothing to do with this thread,this new regulation of allowing even tourists to open a dollar account in Ri,sure its good but what is with this government and their constant minimum requirements on everything,you can open a dollar account with a minimum of $2,000,,,how many tourists do we know that visit Indonesia who just happen to be walking around with an extra $2,000 on their possession,just a short while ago when the volcano happened and the airport was closed several tourists were stuck in Bali and some didn't have enough money to cover their expences so this minimum thing also doesn't make sence,but im sure after a couple of months the government will change that too ,and scrap the minimum requirement,
They are very serious about this foreigner bank account thing,just yeaterday I was in Bni here in nyc transferring some dosh and they told me that they are just waiting on word from their central bank and after that they will be able to help people here open the account,how they will do it I have no idea but seems they have plans,
Lets see how it all pans out,
davita
The article I read was Jakpost Wed 16 Sep 2015...here is the content:
Jakarta Governor Basuki “Ahok” Tjahaja Purnama has said that his administration is ready to use existing city regulations on liquor distribution as soon as the Trade Ministry issues a new regulation allowing it to do so.
Ahok, as quoted by beritajakarta.com, said that the distribution of liquor is currently being regulated by Bylaw No. 8/2007 on public order. “We are waiting [for the new Trade Ministry regulation]. After that we will return to the city bylaw that used to regulate the distribution of liquor with an alcohol content of 5 percent and lower,” Ahok said.
The Trade Ministry previously announced that they would loosen liquor regulation as part of the economic stimulus package issued by the government on Sept. 9.
The regulation, set to be revised, is Trade Director General Regulation No. 04/PDN/PER/4/2015, which guides the implementation of the prohibition of liquor sales at minimarkets and supermarkets.
Under the city bylaw, liquor with alcohol content of 5 percent and lower is categorized into Group A of alcoholic beverages that according to article 4 of the Trade Ministry Regulation No. 20/2014, may be sold at minimarkets, supermarkets and hypermarkets.
Ahok said that he agreed that liquor sales should continue to be partly limited, and not just sold anywhere. He also expressed concern about rampant sales of bootleg liquor, which, he said, was dangerous for human health.
The new regulation is expected to hand authority over the control of liquor distribution to local governments. (bbn)
- See more at:
Jakarta set to regulate liquor sales | The Jakarta Post
Ahok only has jurisdiction in Jakarta so I reckon other provinces, like Bali, will create their own rules or follow the federal gov't ones...another RI FU.
edit: update...news in this mornings' Jakpost spells the new rules a little better .....They are going to draft rules so that each region can define its own liquor licence issues that will be determined in the by-law of the region, having regard to location (House of Worship) (Hospital) (Educational Centre).
I'm guessing that Bali will resort to a free-for-all and Tangerang 'near Jakarta' will be alcohol free. Good.... Tangerang stinks anyway.
Nydave
Im a little confused about your reply,i know tourists don't need a bank account,and I wasn't suggesting they do,im only quoting what the government is now saying that now even a tourist can open a bank account as long as its $2,000,
Also I fully realize about others using a tourist visa would benefit from an account,the whole point is that now everyone can have an account,perhapsyur not up to speed on the latest developments ,
As for exporting to the usa and needing money I do it all the time,but perhaps its different for me because I transfer it into my wifes company account from my company account is Ny,,I so no problems for us,i guess not so simple for others,
Bni work best for me,as I have stated many times on here they have an office right here in the financial district of Manhattan,i deal with them quite a lot,
Absolutely this new bank account facility is a winner for everyone ,
modelt1826
When i was in Bandung early June they had a few bars selling beer straight from the fridge (beer shops), the process was go to the cooler get your beer take to the counter pay sit down and drink . The prices were very good not high end normal warung prices around 26,000 to 30,000 a big bottle and there was a small selection
