All hope lost as Bali court refuses review

davita

My RI friends and families see no problems in the future with it .

Possibly why the saying "Ignorance is Bliss" came about. The closest translation I can find is "ketidaktahuan adalah kebahagiaan". As I had lunch today I read a local magazine article where the Editor summarized.... 'Last year Indonesia paid US$2.1 M to save Satinah, a convicted murderer in Saudi, and yet has shot 5 foreigners for a crime much less grave.' said Human Rights Watch who said 'Indonesia applies double standards.' In 2007 the Indonesian Constitutional Court recommended changes to law to say 'if a prisoner has been on death row for 10 years and not been executed, and is on good behaviour, the death sentence should be commuted to minimum 20 years'. The Courts senior judge is now in jail!!! In 2003 one of the Bali bombers, Ali Imron, got life imprisonment, not the death penalty, for showing remorse after his involvement in murdering 202 people....mainly Australians. This compares with the 2 Australians who, not only didn't murder anyone and have shown remorse and, after 10 years in jail, are approved by the prison warden as having been rehabilitated....but now face the shooting gallery. The Editor says it begs the question..."What message is Jokowi sending and what retaliation will Indonesia receive from foreign countries...has he already jeopardized his relationship with the International Community so early in his tenure?" I hope President Jokowi had a good chat with the Malaysian Prime Minister yesterday about the reported 75 Indonesians on death row in that country. link...The Death Penalty in Malaysia "A 2012 report states that there are at least 75 Indonesians on death row. [117]" I'm not debating drug trafficking...I'm talking about the inconsistancy of the Indoneisan Justice system and the Presidents hasty move to gain public support, which, according to smoke's friends...apparently works...:icon_wink: IMO. It glares like a beacon of Human Rights Abuse...and that cannot be good for the country.

Smoke

Kinda looks that most SE Asia country have harsh laws and sentences on Drug Traffic's . This is not Oz,UK , Canada, USA . Harsh Punishments for Drug Use in Southeast Asia

The pertinent laws and penalties for each country are listed in brief below. Drug Laws in Cambodia. The death penalty was abolished in Cambodia, but the Law on the Control of Drugs bodes ill for those caught with controlled substances, at least on paper. Cambodia's laws prescribe punishment ranging from 5 years to life in prison, but law enforcement is lax. Marijuana consumption is part of the local cultural fabric; hard drugs are easier to come by compared to the rest of the region, but the law will come down hard on you if you're caught smuggling the stuff across national borders. (More information in this interview with an expat in Cambodia - Drugs in Cambodia - "Pot Prohibition Never Really Caught On". Drug Laws in Indonesia. Indonesian drug laws prescribe the death penalty for narcotics trafficking and up 20 years in prison for marijuana offenses. Simple possession of Group 1 drugs results in prison terms of four to twelve years. More on Indonesia's drug laws here: Drug Laws in Bali and the Rest of Indonesia. Drug Laws in Laos. The Criminal Code of Laos penalizes possession of narcotics under Article 135. A recent revision of the code raised the maximum penalty for drug offenses - from 10 years' imprisonment, the law now calls for death by firing squad for those found guilty of possessing more than 500 grams of heroin. Laos is part of the "Golden Triangle" of opium poppy production in Southeast Asia, and business shows no sign of slowing down - according to a new UN Office on Drugs and Crime report, "opium poppy cultivation in Myanmar and Lao PDR rose to 63,800 hectares in 2014 compared to 61,200 ha in 2013, increasing for the eighth consecutive year and nearly triple the amount harvested in 2006." Drug Laws in Malaysia. Malaysia's own drug laws rival Singapore's in their harshness towards suspected drug traffickers. The Dangerous Drugs Act 1952 (Act 234) outlines the penalties for the importation, use, and sale of illegal drugs. Long jail sentences and heavy fines are mandatory for suspects caught with controlled substances, and the death penalty is prescribed for drug traffickers. (The law presumes you are trafficking in drugs if you’re caught in possession of at least half an ounce of heroin or at least seven ounces of marijuana.) Warrantless arrest/detention may also be prescribed under Section 31 of Act 234; such detention may be extended up to fifteen days if the investigation can't be completed in 24 hours. For details on the drugs and penalties imposed for possession of such, read this summary of Malaysia's harsh drug laws. Drug Laws in the Philippines. The Philippines Dangerous Drugs Act prescribes the death penalty for drug traffickers caught with at least 0.3 ounce of opium, morphine, heroin, cocaine, marijuana resin, or at least 17 ounces of marijuana. The Philippines has imposed a moratorium on the death penalty, but drug offenders are still punished harshly if caught – the minimum sentence is 12 years in prison for possession of.17 ounce of illegal drugs. Drug Laws in Singapore. Singapore's Misuse of Drugs Act is very strict – persons caught with at least half an ounce of heroin, at least 1 ounce of morphine or cocaine, or at least 17 ounces of marijuana are presumed to be trafficking in drugs, and face a mandatory death penalty. 400 people were hanged for drug trafficking in Singapore between 1991 and 2004. For more information, read our article: Drug Laws in Singapore. Drug Laws in Thailand. The Narcotics Control Laws of Thailand prescribe the death penalty for carrying category I narcotics (heroin) "for the purpose of disposal". The death penalty for drug trafficking has not been imposed since 2004, but rehabilitation counseling is often imposed on convicted drug users. Drug Laws in Vietnam. Vietnam strictly enforces its drug laws. As prescribed by Article 96a and Article 203 of the Vietnamese Criminal Code, possession of heroin in quantities larger than 1.3 pounds gets you a mandatory death sentence. In 2007, 85 people were executed for drug related offenses.

davita

Markit wroteI think this is all a matter of perspective - seen from inside Bali/Indonesia/Australasia this may look like a "big deal". Viewed from the rest of the world, barely a footnote compared to ISIL/Eurocrisis/US Budget/etc. As the dogs bark in the night the caravan moves on...

The previous executions were broadcast by almost every TV media. Also, input 'Indonesia executions' into a browser and see the thousands of responses. Of course, like all news, media moves onto the next...that is stating the obvious. I'd suggest the IS regret showing the burning of that Jordanian pilot. The repercussions look to be alarming for them....hooray, at last a Muslim nation is taking up the slack against those hi-jacking their faith....:applause: I just wonder why Indonesia resorts to this execution tactic [B]now[/B] and 'possibly' invite retribution from its international friends, for no apparent benefit. It's easy to say no-one will care but I wouldn't take that bet if they execute those 2 Australians soon.

werecoming

An interesting article for anyone following the executions in Indonesia. Death for Chan and Sukumaran while home-town kingpin gets reprieve

davita

An interesting article for anyone following the executions in Indonesia. Death for Chan and Sukumaran while home-town kingpin gets reprieve

Thanks werecoming ...good article find....especially the report that the President wasn't even aware the Bali 9 were exporting drugs that weren't for local consumption while the local guy had a factory in Java producing the stuff, clearly for Indonesians! Where is this consistant justice system in RI? It does seem the end for those two Australians and others but, I suggest, could possibly influence the outcome for the 360 Indonesians facing the death penalty overseas, including about 230 on drug charges (source: Indonesian NGO Migrant Care). Also, according to RI Gov't.,"we are committed to seeking the release of more than 200 Indonesians currently facing execution overseas".:confused:...fat chance now!

Markit

I find it amusing how we all haha about the peculiarities of Indonesian "Justice" so long as it's just lazy traffic cops or weird court findings about deforestation but let some poor bastard get his nutts in the wringer seriously and the fun seems to dry right up, don't it? The authorities all over the world seem to delight in the ability to kill and try to do it as often as the voting population will let them. Kinda harks back to the bad old days when the same idiots enjoyed making us all march off to war. These poor fellows are for the jump as I'm sure they already know and there aint much that's gonna stand in the way of a new president proving what a tough guy he really is - the more the rest of the world complains the worse it's gonna be for the 9 - 2. Best is we all shut up and let it happen and thank our lucky stars we aint all marching off to war instead. But what do I know?

davita

There is a very pertinent saying..."it ain't over 'till the fat lady sings!" and that is my hope for those facing this inconsistant and arbitrary execution. I'm sure the 2 Aljazeera journalists, just released on bail from their Egyptian Jail, are well acqainted with the amount of pressure the world has placed on the Egyptian Gov't/Judiciary....to achieve fairness. I'm sure if 'we all shut-up and let things happen' the world would indeed be a darker place...it is because some are willing to protest that there is hope to change everything that is oppressive. I'm reminded of the following...."My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. [COLOR="#FF0000"]I believe it is peace for our time.[/COLOR] We thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Go home and get a nice quiet sleep." I've never slept well since.

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