davita
The last piece of the fuselage and part of the wing was lifted today and put onto a ship destined for Tanjong Priok by Monday. They will meet next week to decide to wrap up the recovery phase.
They said no more bodies found but no mention if anyone was able to get inside the fuselage...I'd expect many bodies or remains strapped to seats.
Only 103 out of the 162 souls on board have been recovered.
Markit
Just out of morbid curiosity how long does a body last underwater - I mean at the depths these are at, between 30 and 60 meters?
Markit
So there really shouldn't be anything but bones left in the plane?
davita
Gurkha wrote....and lots of fat crabs and shrimps! But the bones, being calcium-based will be consumed by certain starfish and get moved around by the currents!
Scene in restaurant....
"What do you fancy from the menu?"
"The fish looks nice...but the chili crab or prawn curry also look yummy....ask the waiter."
"Is the sea-food fresh?"
"Oh, yes sir, fresh from the Java sea!"
"I'll have beans on toast!"...... "Same here!"
davita
Another airbus A320 crashed in the French Alps on a short flight from Spain to Germany today.
That's the third...Air France into the Atlantic.....Air Asia into the Java Sea....and now this.
All have similarities in they descended from altitude before crashing.
davita
Ok, I'm ranting so please excuse me...
What I cannot fathom is that both recorders were recovered from Air Asia and yet, so far, no information has been disclosed. I understand that litigation prevails, and maybe why information is not forthcoming, but Indonesian Safety Regulators should demand that ANY pertinent information, as to ANY reason for the crash, should be identified by now.
If there is a problem with the A320 family of aircraft it would be criminal, imo, to not disclose that immediately. I'm not saying that's the case but the quicker information is disseminated the more that public safety concerns will be assuaged...assuming it isn't the A/C.
The media doesn't seem to associate the similarity of this German crash to the others, excepting Richard Quest. I wonder why the media is so reticent.
The A320 family of A/C has a fly-by-wire system that is computer controlled. Air France crashed because the pitot tubes, which send airspeed info to the computers iced up....the pilots misinterpreted the information and, after taking over from the automatic system, actually caused the A/C to stall and crash into the Atlantic.
Air Asia had a similar ending but we haven't heard of any info gleaned from the recorders.
Germanwings, and French Air Safety Regulators, are said to make a statement on the results from the voice recorder soon.
edit: Just listened to the press conference by the 3 leaders...very passionate and melancholy.... but no technical reports.
davita
Recent information from the cockpit voice recorder suggests that the Germanwings crash was a suicide mission by the co-pilot.
This is what I mean about regulators advising immediately when they have information that should be disseminated. In Air Asia case we still await, whereas, in this Germanwings case the information was immediate thus, at least, reducing the culpability of the A320 aircraft as questionable. Air Asia's Indonesian fleet are all A320's.
I cannot find my post of what I thought could have technically happened to MH370 (Boeing 777) on this forum...but, given this Germanwings pilot's suicide mission, it gives credibility to my post of how MH370 could have disappeared.
ronb
I totally agree that you will trust authorities who release information as it comes to hand, and disrespect those who are secretive. The Malaysian government was hopeless in the days following the MH370 loss, and the Indonesian authorises are now looking stupid for their handling of the Air Asia disaster. Maybe that plane was a victim of horrific weather. The "black box" info may either confirm or rebut this hypothesis - but for some reason they don't want to tell us.
davita
Thanks for your input ronb.
I agree the Malaysian govt. botched the investigation and probably delayed the search enough to prevent the recorders from ever being found but my reaction was Indonesia did a fine job. Every day we got reports and I believe the grieving families were satisfied with how the search was handled. However, we are still in the dark over any reason for the crash and the recorders must have been fully scrutinised by now.
The speed which the French safety regulators read the Germanwings voice recorder and concluded it was the co-pilot at fault, and not the aircraft, was swift and compares with Indonesian sluggishness.
I bet Airbus Industries are breathing a sigh of relief...:culpability:
ferdie
Why the Germanwings info was released immediately? Because the govt and Airbus wanted to release the info that its not a malfunction that might ruined Airbus name.
I think its not the formal report right?
The actual rules actually said it will be months before the complete rule was release??
davita
ferdie wroteWhy the Germanwings info was released immediately? Because the govt and Airbus wanted to release the info that its not a malfunction that might ruined Airbus name.
I think its not the formal report right?
The actual rules actually said it will be months before the complete rule was release??
Exactly my point ferdie...of course all information is incomplete and will take months, if not years, to establish exactly what transpired to cause the Germanwings crash.... but at least it gives the flying public some confidence the aircraft was not at fault.
This is not the same with the Air Asia crash (same type aircraft as Germanwings) as, so far, nothing has been said. This means the Safety Investigators either don't know or are withholding information...neither scenario, imo, is in the public interest.
davita
For anyone interested ChannelNewsAsia is presenting a documentary on the Air Asia8501 crash. Monday 6th April 8pm Bali time.
davita
It's been months since the search for Air Asia 8501 debris was discontinued. Has anyone heard of any reports from the safety investigators?
davita
Today's news reports that the cause of Air Asia 8501 crash was pilot error after a technical malfunction. The news is sketchy, as just released, so more info is pending.
tintin
ronb
This combination of equipment problems together with the crew's apparent lack of experience in flying manually has echoes of the Adam Air crash. It doesn't build confidence.
spicyayam
When AA came out with their slogan "Now everyone can fly" I thought they were talking about the passengers - not the pilots.
davita
ronb wroteThis combination of equipment problems together with the crew's apparent lack of experience in flying manually has echoes of the Adam Air crash. It doesn't build confidence.
These are early days to properly analyze the report but RonB ...I go with you. My earliest aviation career identified...'FLY the ****ing Aeroplane'..... and ignore the rest until comfortable that the aircraft is balanced in flight.
There is no point in being technically correct.......after the aircraft has crashed.
spicyayam wroteWhen AA came out with their slogan "Now everyone can fly" I thought they were talking about the passengers - not the pilots.
Hehaheha...do you prefer Lion Air's slogan..."We MAKE people fly"???
Remember they ditched off the end of Bali runway just to get their passengers closer to the Krisna store in Tuban coz the crew got commission....same as the tour-bus drivers...:black_eyed:
