Indonesian President Joko Widodo rejects Bali Nine clemency

Rangi

[QUOTE]Actually I don't believe instant death visited on the perpetrator and his entire family and village would dissuade people from trying to make those kinds of profits from drugs and the pure fact that [COLOR="#FF0000"]all drugs are available everywhere on the planet proves my point, I think. [/COLOR][/QUOTE] In my opinion it does not prove your point. The reason being not all Drugs in Indonesian are being smuggled in Via Drug Mules. Some are locally produced and manufactured. Also I don't recall that anyone said that it a Deterrent to all people. Meaning while it will deter a lot of people, it will never deter [I][/I][B]all[/B] people. [QUOTE]Drugs are everywhere and nothing anyone can do will change that fact[/QUOTE] I agree with that 100%. But I still feel that knowing your fate is a Firing squad leaves me with no doubt in my mind that the Death Sentence a Deterrent to [I][/I][B]some [/B]people. [B]Not all[/B]. I just can't comprehend how you believe that a firing squad doesn't deter anyone.

Markit

Rangi the only difference a huge punishment compared to a light one makes is the pricing of the commodity in question. Read Milton Friedman on supply and demand or fecking Adam Smith on the composition of markets if you want to understand the drugs trade or any other. Say for instance every person that was found with drugs at the border in Indonesia was immediately taken out back and hung, drawn and quartered ON VIDEO and the films would run 24/7 in the entrance hall to Immi. Do you think there still wouldn't be people lining up to smuggle drugs into Bali (where the price would be particularly high due to the scarcity)? Do you think that you couldn't buy any kind of drug your heart was set on in Kuta or Seminjak - if you had the money? Sure some people would be dissuaded from smuggling drugs but for every one of those there'd be another 2 that feel immortal and would "have a go" because the price is right and [I]they would never, ever get caught cause they're way too smart[/I]. Right now prisons are full of them - killing them would only stop overcrowding in prison and make us all murderers for a crime without a victim - cause that's presently what drugs are. Right now in the US there's people doing life in prisons for a drug that is now legal and harms no one. Ask the Portuguese or Dutch about drug legalization and how that's worked out. You and AdamAnt want to have these people killed? I sure hope there's more mercy around when you need some, my friend. Lesson is over. Markit

Rangi

Markit wroteRangi the only difference a huge punishment compared to a light one makes is the pricing of the commodity in question. Read Milton Friedman on supply and demand or fecking Adam Smith on the composition of markets if you want to understand the drugs trade or any other. Say for instance every person that was found with drugs at the border in Indonesia was immediately taken out back and hung, drawn and quartered ON VIDEO and the films would run 24/7 in the entrance hall to Immi. Do you think there still wouldn't be people lining up to smuggle drugs into Bali (where the price would be particularly high due to the scarcity)? Do you think that you couldn't buy any kind of drug your heart was set on in Kuta or Seminjak - if you had the money? Sure some people would be dissuaded from smuggling drugs but for every one of those there'd be another 2 that feel immortal and would "have a go" because the price is right and [I]they would never, ever get caught cause they're way too smart[/I]. Right now prisons are full of them - killing them would only stop overcrowding in prison and make us all murderers for a crime without a victim - cause that's presently what drugs are. Right now in the US there's people doing life in prisons for a drug that is now legal and harms no one. Ask the Portuguese or Dutch about drug legalization and how that's worked out. [I][/I][B]You and AdamAnt want to have these people killed? [/B] I sure hope there's more mercy around when you need some, my friend. Lesson is over. Markit

Again I think you are confused, I never said I want anyone killed for drug offences. I agree with you that, no matter the sentence people will still always try. I have never said it is the answer to stop drugs and I never said I agree with death sentences for people trying it. All I said is fearing death over a prison sentence would Deter some people.

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