Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China

davita

samsiam wrotethey crashed 3 helicopters[COLOR="#FF0000"] in a row [/COLOR]not so long ago.

Confirms my long held beliefs..... 1.....What goes UP.... must come DOWN. 2.....DO NOT [COLOR="#FF0000"]follow the leader[/COLOR] if he is stupid.....QED.

Markit

samsiam wroteYou know that mentioning that 'B' word on the internet will draw attention to you from those that are watching.....have a nice trip to Myanmar.....i'd pack a small personal tube of gel just in case.

You're probably right in that but I'm also mildly don'tgiveadamnish since at the moment probably every 3rd email, blog entry and telephone conversation has the magical "B" word in it too. Safety in numbers?

hinakos

This new revelation, from the Malaysian Military, that the A/C turned around is astonishing. According to their info, without informing anyone, the A/C could have turned and flown the reverse route and is now missing in the Malacca Straits. If so...where were all those Air Traffic Controllers monitoring the Malaysian Flight Information Region (FIR) ...where were the radio calls to request and be granted this change of Flight level and Nav Course. If not made..... why wasn't the Malaysian Defence Force scrambled to intervent? Didn't anyone on duty, monitoring aircraft in the Malaysian FIR, not remember KAL 007 in 1983 and the subsequent reports and changes to routines? All commercial A/C HAVE to fly on Airways, at the approved Flight level (FL) according to the FIR Flight Plan...using a serviceable transponder. An A/C that size simply does not disappear....some other stuff is going on and, when it is found...and it will be, some heads are going to be chopped! edit: My last sentence was not something I just dreamed up. Hong Kong Associated Press reported the link below for those wishing to look further. Malaysia has a policy of Bumiputra Malays getting top jobs in Gov't...which excludes many of the 35% in the population of other races, probably better suited. I predict there will be enough media attention to the way things are being handled that changes are in the offing. Did anyone listen to the Malaysian Director of Aviation's speech...he was almost incomprehensible. link: AOL.com Article - Bad decade: Malaysia Airlines has catalog of woes

Agreed about the Bumi Putra policy and suitably qualified people playing second fiddle to the "Putras". But this is not going to change. Disturbing to think that Malaysia, a country I spent nearly 2 years working in and which I think is a cut above most other Asian nations with regards to engineering, duty of care, corporate responsibility (minus the whole palm oil thing), modern technology and training - can't answer any of the important questions. Boeng wont let this go, there is another 1000+ of these models of aircraft floating around at this very moment. It may end up like the Adam air disaster a few years back in Indonesia - was too costly and too hard for Adam Air / Indonesia to handle so the aircraft manufacturer took on all costs to seek and salvage - then piece it all together. Took some time to find it too.

davita

I hope you're right Samsiam but some say.......everything happens in threes.

Another plane crashes on T.O. ...Philadelphia Plane Aborts Takeoff After Mechanical Failure and yesterday a private helicopter crashed in fog in Norfolk, UK killing 4. Lets hope that's the three for this year...I've already booked for 4 flights, in the next few months, for me and missus!!!:icon_rolleyes:

samsiam

Not sure the Heli counts...think it has to be 3 of the same or similar.....so 3 planes etc. private planes and helis go in all the time. Also it does not mean 3 for the year I have found....its usually 3 in a very short space, around a week or 2 and then nothing for awhile again before the cycle starts again in some other arena.

davita

edit: My last sentence was not something I just dreamed up. Hong Kong Associated Press reported the link below for those wishing to look further. Malaysia has a policy of Bumiputra Malays getting top jobs in Gov't...which excludes many of the 35% in the population of other races, probably better suited. I predict there will be enough media attention to the way things are being handled that changes are in the offing. Did anyone listen to the Malaysian Director of Aviation's speech...he was almost incomprehensible. link: AOL.com Article - Bad decade: Malaysia Airlines has catalog of woes

To put more meat on the bones of my observation (above quote) about Malaysian politics, there is a very good read in today's Jakpost from a Bloomberg correspondent. It subjects Malaysian politics and how this lost aeroplane management, or lack of, is being seen by the rest of the world. Umno has run that country for 60 years and it has hardly progressed its service to the population while the incumbent politicians have entrenched themselves. For example, the defense minister/acting transport minister has been a legislator for some 20 years and has no credible reason for his appointment other than his powerful political family. It is indeed sad that it requires a tragedy of this incident to expose to the world the fiasco of so-called 'democracies' like Malaysia. Is it possible Indonesia is similarly entrenched.....or will the upcoming election change the status quo?

samsiam

All South East Asia same same but different.

Rangi

SquarePeg

I like your stuff Rangi, including this - however this seems to be actually a bit of a hoax/joke posting that's going around. I believe this is a pic of an actual Boeing 777 ..... [ATTACH]1913.vB[/ATTACH]

davita

Funny pic rangi 'coz that aint a Boeing 777...it's an Airbus 380. Recent news is after MH370 was lost from the Malaysian Air Traffic Control (ATC) Centre it reversed route and flew for many hours. This would mean it had to travel across many other countries Flight Information Regions (FIRs) and therefore should have been spotted by other ATC radar as an unidentified A/C. When I was in the business and traveled the route from Europe to the East vv many, many times...and that was over 20 years ago, there were dozens of A/C being monitored and controlled by different countries ATC at any one time, as they flew those routes. Yet no-one so far has identified this uncontrolled B777? If this is the case, and it did fly across those regions, then there is a serious question of how safe is the area's Air Traffic Control? Some may remember KAL 007, flying between Anchorage to Seoul, when the Russians missiled the A/C as it entered their airspace FIR without authority. The pilot had mistakenly selected the wrong mode for his autopilot to fly the prescribed navigation route as per the Flight Plan.

samsiam

Didn't know the 777 could reverse !!!

samsiam

I was on one engine behind and props above for years and I could go backwards anywhere....did in fact into a few trees.

davita

samsiam wroteI was on one engine behind and props above for years and I could go backwards anywhere....did in fact into a few trees.

I see...... the veritable chopper huh! I'm surprised you can still [I]write[/I] your posts without shhaakkiin'....:bi_polo::topsy_turvy:

davita

samsiam wroteDidn't know the 777 could reverse !!!

Well samsiam...be enlightened...all A/C can reverse and someties do. Just select the thrust levers to reverse and throttle-up!!! However...it is also essential to select 'reverse' on the horn...so we get the beep! beep! beep! noise...:lemo: Seriously...you are correct in that engine reverse, on most A/C, can only be selected when the wheel switches are made on the ground. The restriction to taxiing backwards is to avoid braking fiercely as the A/C can tip back....and reverse thrust can produce crap from the ground and be ingested by the engines. I was on VC10's for many years (4 engines high in the tail, 2 with reverse) and we often used reverse to go backwards on the ground.

Rangi

samsiam

davita wroteI see...... the veritable chopper huh! I'm surprised you can still [I]write[/I] your posts without shhaakkiin'....:bi_polo::topsy_turvy:

You get used to it.

davita

Given the flip-flopping of information over this MH370 disappearance I'm wondering if I should tell the Malaysian Govt of my latest observation. There are a lot of A/C parts, engines and a recent fuselage, almost intact, on the roof of what used to be the ARENA restaurant, corner of Jl. Kerobokan and Jl. Semer.... but none have the Malaysian Airlines logo. Still...this is more info than any other I've so far seen. Should I report this or will the Malaysians just get more confused? I see the Australians are helping by searching the seas off Xmas and Cocos Islands; yet Indonesia ATC already said that no unidentified A/C entered their airspace on the night of the disappearance. If the Ozzies find it I suppose they'll just tow it into Indonesian waters then cut the tow rope...as per normal practice:icon_e_surprised:

ronb

davita wrote.............. yet Indonesia ATC already said that no unidentified A/C entered their airspace on the night of the disappearance. ........

So do you believe them? When they say "Indonesian airspace" they may just mean Java, or even just close to Jakarta. MH370 may have crossed North Sumatra - is there monitoring good enough? It apparently took the Malaysians some days to understand that their radar had seen it travelling west over Malaysia. Maybe the Indonesians will re-examine recorded radar data (if indeed they do record it) and suddenly say OMG...

davita

@#38 I can only go on what was reported. All countries have 'airways' criscrossing the sky within their boundaries. Sumatra is not excluded. Generally, it is only over large expanses of water where radar cannot cover, then position reporting by the crew becomes vital. At almost any time, there must be dozens/hundreds of A/C flying on those airways from waypoint to waypoint. An unidentified A/C, even without a transponder IFF squacking, would still be seen as a blip on an ATC radar screen, and SHOULD be of concern...otherwise, flight safety is at stake every day!!! I'm only talking about Civil ATC....Military ATC is a different thing and I'm not familiar with that. There is a point made by a member (Keith Ledgerwood) on a pilot forum that I read. He contends...if this A/C had been hi-jacked by the crew or other skilled pilots, it could have almost hidden from radar if he flew in the shadow of Singapore Airline's B777 (SQ68) which flew the same route outbound the Penang to Andaman route that night. No-one would notice two aircraft flying almost together. The MH370 could then eventually have broken formation later without being tracked by India and many other countries.

Markit

I'm going with either the North Korean scenario or that some government shot them down and doesn't want to fess up. Of course they could all wind up pregnant on Alpha Centauri with a pain in their chests...

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