davita
Interesting report in today 12 Nov 2013 Jakpost pg 11.
From 14 Nov 2013 the Shengen member states are issuing biometric visas, called Visa Information System (VIS), for all visits to those 26 states. The visa will be valid for 5 years and for each visit of 90 days. Applicants will initially attend the Embassy/Consul of choice in Indonesia, to have the biometry recorded, and thereafter secure copies will be availed. Exemptions are for children under 12 and other VIP's on official visits.
To my mind this is using technology to achieve a useful purpose but wonder if indonesians can ever be so progressive. The use of technology here, as far as I can ascertain, is to send stupid messages or pictures to each other, find a way to make more noise at a football stadium or crank out more volume from the mosque.
Even worse, here in Bali, it seems the greatest technology application is how to get a small scooter engine make ten times more noise than its Horse Power could possible achieve. Doesn't the Gov't recognize that if we were to tax motor bikers, by roadside noise using a simple Db meter, they could treble their income.
gilbert de jong
If I understand right, an Indonesian passport-holder can apply for a "biometric-visa" for let's say the Netherlands at the dutch embassy, and then when this is issued to the recipient he/she can travel to all Schengen state members ?
What I mean is travel from Bali to NL, and then do something like a little tour through europe (within 90 days) ?
Markit
Gil travel within the Schengen countries always has been visa free as there are no border controls. In Germany, Austria, Holland and France they simply took away the buildings you can go from one to the other without even knowing it yourself.
hadodi
This is another stupid EU creation. Immagine: you live w your Indon. wife in Sumbawa. Ask there where she can get her print (only ONE) taken. Probably you have to fly to Jkt. if you are Swiss there is a consulate in Dps, but No fingerprint facility. I was lucky and applied for my wife a visa C before the deadline without fingerprints taken. now we have 3 years to hope that finally it will be possible to be taken here.
davita
gilbert de jong wroteIf I understand right, an Indonesian passport-holder can apply for a "biometric-visa" for let's say the Netherlands at the dutch embassy, and then when this is issued to the recipient he/she can travel to all Schengen state members ?
What I mean is travel from Bali to NL, and then do something like a little tour through europe (within 90 days) ?
That's how I read it Gilbert...once the biometric data is collected by one of the Shengen States the passport can be used to enter all other states for max 90 days...but can be repeated for 5 years.
This compares with how Indonesia treats us...yesterday I went to have my pic and fingerprints biometrically recorded for my retirement visa to stay for another year...then I'll get to do it all over next November. I wont get my passport back till Monday and they've already had it for 2 months.
I'm also intrigued why they need to continually record fingerprints....do they change? I recall one of the great train robbers tried to obliterate his fingerprints with acid...and failed.
gilbert de jong
Markit wroteGil travel within the Schengen countries always has been visa free as there are no border controls. In Germany, Austria, Holland and France they simply took away the buildings you can go from one to the other without even knowing it yourself.
yeah I know about the "open borders" :D , and we know that something doesn't have to be 100% (il)legal to cross those open borders...
I was a bit wondering about this visa in regards to flying out of NL to for example Gra Canaria, NL being the issuing country of said visa..I could just imagine they would sort of stamp "USED" in her passport, if you know what I mean..
@davita, thanks for the 'confirmation' ...we have read the same :)
Markit
As to flying within Schengen I believe the airline has the duty to control passports but it might be worth asking them yourself. Don't see why they wouldn't give you a good answer.
davita
Gran Canaria is Spain so I don't see why it would be any different than flying from Amsterdam to Madrid...it is all within Shengen visa countries. They will ask for the passport but only for identification and security.
wepro
So you got the wrong information from the German Consulat.
Next time better ask the German embassy. My wife got her Schengen Visa free from the German Embassy in Jakarta without any problems ( two years ago).
Regards
Werner
davita
I think the point of my OP was to indicate that from 14 Nov 2013 the Shengen visa application has changed. It requires the applicant to submit biometric data.
RahajengSemeng
Hi Werner,
thanks for your reply. Next time I go there again I'll ask them what the fee was for.
Cheers
RahajengSemeng
Hi Davita,
sorry, my post was OT here.
Cheers
RahajengSemeng
Hi,
I have been a passive user and this is my first post!
I recently travelled to Europe with my Indonesian wife and wanted to share this. We were informed by the German Consulate that my wife had to go to Jakarta for the application of a Schengen Visa and stay there a few days until the Visa is issued for a fee. Staying in Jakarta or returning there after few days was no option for us.
As we also have a resident permit in Japan we asked the embassy in Tokyo and found out that a multiple entry Schengen Visa can be issued for 2 years without any fee and we only had to show proof of our marriage at the embassy. There seem to be differences for the required papers and fees in each country and in almost all cases the embassies/consulates seem to make things more difficult in Indonesia.
When traveling in Europe my wife has always been examined at the checkin counter to present our flight to the next destination and our flight out of Europe. There was no stamp on the Visa as I assume it was a multiple Visa?!
Cheers
odez999
Anyone knows is it possible to obtain Schengen visa (for Indonesian citizen) in any embassy in Bali (Dutch maybee) without needing to go to Jakarta !???
ferdie
Its not possible Odez999, you can't do it only in Bali :icon_wink:
odez999
But I got this from email sent to : [email]dutchconsulate@kcbtours.com[/email]
[I]"Dear x,
Thanks for your email of February 17th, 2015 regarding of visa
Schengen requested.
The visa can be applied on personally to the Consulate in Bali
or in Jakarta. For further information, let's see on the attachments
enclosed.
Best regards,
Kxxxx Kxxxx
Lokale medewerker"[/I]
So should I make visit to them or ... is futile !?
odez999
It would be great, if there was possibility to obtain Dutch Shengen VISA in Bali. And that way avoind flying to Jakarta !
BTW for those who reading this, let me remind you that if you obtain Schengen VISa in Holland embassy/consul, your port of entry in Schengen zone (mostly all EU countries) [B]must be Holland[/B] ! <--- I did not knew that !
ferdie
Everything needs to be sent to Jakarta or Surabaya in the end
and you'll need to do an interview there within a month if my memory serves me
Dick Rector
Not completely true odez999. A Schengen Visa for ANY of the Schengen countries can be obtained at the Dutch Consulate in Kuta. Takes about 10 days while in process and the paperwork goes to Kuala Lumpur, not Jakarta.
BUT... isn't there always one.... Normally the embassy or consulate of the FIRST entree gives the visa OR the countrie where you are staying the LONGEST can give you the visa.
In our case staying the longest is in Holland (I am Dutch) but we go first to Italy from here, than France and Belgium. I know this first hand because we just got one two weeks ago for my Indonesian lady.
Talk to KETUT at the consulate or UTAMI at KCJB tours (if you don't know this, the owner of the tourfirm is the Dutch Consul and they are in the same building), they are very helpful and will advice you how to deal with it.
Hope this helps you.
Dick
