Information about IMB"S

Sylvan

davita wroteThe member Sylvan did not ask a question re #55...... a question requires this..... ?. Without, it is a statement A response from myself and ferdie was commented in an arguable format and not in response to a question. Sylvan then derided members as munchkins who make snide remarks in post #55. The subject of building permits etc in Bali is a serious subject for members looking for answers. It requires all of us to be diligent and, imo, screen anecdotal info prior to publish.

I'm sorry did i hurt your feelings? If you cant take a Retort Then why instantly use provocative responses to an innocently put statement/question? yet again i was looking for clarification not stating fact. SO get off your high horse davita. If you didnt know then all you have to say is i dont know. Theres no need to be calling people liars and saying they should be fired. (Sorry i didnt use an ' that should be there's) its amazing how one can forget punctuation isnt it but it was easy enough to know what i meant without it. When was the last time you applied for an IMB, i'm hoping it was in the last few weeks because if its not then you are in no place to make such judgements.

joji gulapetis

Ladeeees and gentlemeeeeen and bald headed babies..... in the blue corner we have the the munchkins........ and in the right corner the old-timers ......... Back to back, they faced each other....... Drew their swords, and shot each other. But with all due respect to our new friend Sylvan, stop and think. IMB means a permit to build. You brought this matter up, and you got replies you didn't like. The replies were based on the experiences of the members here, and others before them. The IMB is submitted, approved, and then building is allowed to commence. The drawing on the IMB is the approved design, AND MUST BE ADHERED TO. If building was permitted before the IMB was issued, it would be like putting the cart before he horse. If the building differed from the approved design, would the design be then altered to fit the building? (Which, I must admit has happened on more than one occasion here in the land of ID). But, please, follow this up with your builder. This is the first time any of us have heard of this "new rule", and going on info in this thread, some of the members are in the process of applying for IMB for their own projects. I would strongly suggest you get this new rule in writing from the appropriate authority before you start your building. But, to take a leaf from someone else's book:- But what do I know? (royalty will be paid on 31 September) :topsy_turvy:

Sylvan

joji gulapetis wrote But with all due respect to our new friend Sylvan, stop and think. IMB means a permit to build. You brought this matter up, and you got replies you didn't like. The replies were based on the experiences of the members here, and others before them. The IMB is submitted, approved, and then building is allowed to commence. The drawing on the IMB is the approved design, AND MUST BE ADHERED TO. If building was permitted before the IMB was issued, it would be like putting the cart before he horse. If the building differed from the approved design, would the design be then altered to fit the building? (Which, I must admit has happened on more than one occasion here in the land of ID). But, please, follow this up with your builder. This is the first time any of us have heard of this "new rule", and going on info in this thread, some of the members are in the process of applying for IMB for their own projects. :topsy_turvy:

That is precisely why i asked for someone to verify/confirm it as it doesnt sound right. All i get is stories of how people say things that arent true and calls for firing my contractor. and you wonder why this got me annoyed. I know exactly how it is with foreigners having problems as i've had my own which is why i left the post in the first place. Lesson learned. I'll limit myself to making backseat snarcky comments to posts in future :black_eyed: And yes i understand that you are keeping the peace here joji and i'm not disagreeing with what you are saying.

Markit

Dear Sylvan - one of the things most people that live here [COLOR=#ff0000][U]absolutely love[/U][/COLOR] about Indonesia is the freedom from strictly adhered to rules and regulations. Dear Sylvan - one of the things most people that live here [COLOR=#ff0000][U]absolutely [B]hate[/B][/U][/COLOR]about Indonesia is the freedom from strictly adhered to rules and regulations. Welcome to the forum and please remember the 2 above and make full use of the first but always be aware of the second. How do you do that in this instance? If you want to build without an IMB then go ahead but remember that when you retroactively apply for it, as you must, you MAY run into some idiot that wants some money for what you have done "[I]wrong[/I]". If you are prepared to [B]pay[/B] for the [I]freedom[/I] that you have take then Tally HO!

spicyayam

We just got an IMB a couple of months ago and no we haven't started building yet. I do know however of people who for whatever reason apply for the IMB during, or once the build is complete. I am sure you then have to pay a lot more for it as you don't really have a choice.

ferdie

Sylvan wrotei was looking for that answer!!!! Forget it. I'll get my own answer on Monday. Considering it was late on a Friday i thought i might get a reply before then from the helpful people of the forum. I was wrong

I don't think any changes that radical will happen sir:grief: Sylvan, sorry if my response offends you but I have a reasonable logic behind it: IMB is a permit to build, so the time to get it is before it was even begun. If the submission can be done after it is finished, it would be called building registration without any limitation. I haven't begin to think about the technical stuffs that you should also considers before you start building. If your contractor told you a baseless rumor that doesn't even make sense, for me there's only 2 possibility : He knows it is false but hoping for easier and faster work or he is not so clever to filter the info whether its logical or not. Either possibility creeps me out because you will be giving him control over the development of your building that I would believe considered important to you. just my 2 cents

Georgie

If you get on the website of the badungkab.go.id. it states. PENGERTIAN UMUM IMB IMB singkatan dari Ijin Mendirikan Bangunan adalah suatu ijin untuk mendirikan, memperbaiki, mengubah, atau merenovasi suatu bangunan termasuk ijin bagi bangunan yang sudah berdiri yang dikeluarkan oleh Kepala Daerah. which basically says an IMB is required for new buildings, repairing a building, renovating a building and existing buildings. They list the building Act's and there does not seem to be a mention of any amendment to the Acts (but the site may not have been updated). You would need an Amendment to the Act passed in order to change the rules. I did a search and there are no such amendments.

Dunaden

Ok, I've just spent twenty minutes reading all if this thread so if you haven't read it all -I'll save you some time- "MAYBE" you can apply for an IMB after you build-to match the design of your build...BUT!!! You may/probably strike a pile of problems going down this path...so apply before hand-simple!!! :-D PS Markit any chance you can show us an image of you "drinking a beautiful woman"? :icon_e_surprised:

Markit

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Lea

New IMB needed for property as a full reconstruction is required... When submitting paperwork for new IMB do you need to submit old IMB (2001 )...?

gilbert de jong

yes

Lea

Gilbert, thanks for the reply... The original IMB ( 2001 ) has gone walk-a-bout... The notary has been in contact with the department that deals with IMB's and they told her that they don't keep records that far back...So no IMB for the property.. The notary emailed to me informing that because I will be totally knocking down the existing villa to the slab and rebuilding I need a new IMB ( already knew this ) and the old IMB will be of no significance, which I was very sceptical..

SHoggard

doesn't the actual building have a plate rivrted to it somewhere with a bunch of numbers on it? If so, that's probably the original IMB. But then since you're bulldozing the building, a new one is probably in order - much the same as in Oz or the UK a new build on an old site can't hide behind the old set of building approvals

gilbert de jong

no worries Lea, you're welcome. since they haven't any records that far back, then even if you would have the 'original' IMB (plate and/or paper) it would not have made any difference in applying for a new one :) Sometimes they choose to make a change to the original IMB instead of issue-ing a new one, adding new sketches to their records and adding a statement to the original IMB with the changed perimeters and "details".

Lea

Gil, Shoggard thanks for your reply... Not sure if I am being over cautious, just concerned when applying for new IMB questions may get asked ..'why is there no old IMB' and therefore progress being held up...

joji gulapetis

Lea wroteGil, Shoggard thanks for your reply... Not sure if I am being over cautious, just concerned when applying for new IMB questions may get asked ..'why is there no old IMB' and therefore progress being held up...

Lea, you are building a new house aren't you? So there should be no questions about any old IMB if the old house has been demolished. :topsy_turvy:

Lea

Thanks Joji....Yes demolishing existing buildings are rebuilding... Conflicting stories...Was told they would need to see old IMB if applying for new IMB.. Have found out this morning there is a IMB plate attached to front wall just the IMB paperwork/documents have gone missing.. Thanks again for your information..

Elisabeth

Markit wroteWhere does one go to get a look at the zoning of particular pieces of land in ones area? Indo name of the office would be good and even better department name? Is there an online map source - silly idea, but maybe?

Hello Markit! it is not a silly idea at all! I have seen this land zoning map online somewhere I don't remember well now for which Kabupaten, if someone needs it please let me know I can find it again, but I am not sure if it is very updated.... cheers,

Markit

I have it but it's a 13 Mb large pdf file and called a RTR P Jawa Bali pola ruang 2027 and very detailed. Not altogether sure how much I trust it though.

gilbert de jong

@ markit...I think that could be like a plan for the year 2027, or something like a projection/expected to look like by 2027 ?

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