Ubud Market?

Markit

Man this is some deeeep shit here. Me, I'm interested in a nice Gouda or a well kept Cheddar - Ubud market have any of that stuff? Feck no! Useless.

ronb

So you can fall in love with a place when you first find it, and then over time it changes. The same has happened to sleepy towns around Woy Woy or Kiama, north and south of Sydney; on the Mornington Peninsula near Melbourne; and on the Sunshine Coast near Brisbane. In all these places, as the changes roll on you have 2 options: 1) adapt to the changes, discover new delights, and enjoy... 2) search for a new spot with the charms you remember (could be in Karangasem) and move... For me, as Ubud develops, there are interesting new options like the Readers and Writers Festival, TEDx Ubud, a Spirit Festival and more. The first 2 of these interest me, the third is not my cup of tea, but no problem. Some find that settling among rice fields 20-30 minutes drive from central Ubud provides the quiet life yet stays within easy reach of the activities.

SHoggard

ronb wroteSo you can fall in love with a place when you first find it, and then over time it changes........ In all these places, as the changes roll on you have 2 options: 1) adapt to the changes, discover new delights, and enjoy... 2) search for a new spot with the charms you remember (could be in Karangasem) and move... For me, as Ubud develops, there are interesting new options like the Readers and Writers Festival, TEDx Ubud, a Spirit Festival and more. ........

Spot on ron, that's the problem with reliance on 'memories' they're like songs - as Joni Mitchell wrote "You can't return you can only look behind" (& Joni's a memory for a certain generation, while Taylor Swift will be a memory for the current generation). In another 10 or 15 years all those who are 'discovering' Ubud as a result of Readers and Writers Festival, TEDx Ubud, Spirit Festival etc will probably be bemoaning the new multi-story carpark & 24 hour hypermarket which will inevitably come along. I wonder if we, who visited Ubud waaayyy back - but hadn't the wherewithall or time nor spirit of adventure to up-sticks and just do it - now we have the time and probably wherewithall are trying to recapture that 'golden' era of our lives?

SHoggard

No they don't .... but they probably have some nice crystals you can 'channel' your angst through... oh and lots of miniature surfboards you could put in the pool

Markit

Be still! My foolish heart.

SHoggard

Actually, with some of those surfboards, a few little guitars, a drum kit - along with a few Barbie & Kens you could create a nice little poolside tableau ... well, it beats gnomes - more seasonal too!

calma

ronb wrote For me, as Ubud develops, there are interesting new options like the Readers and Writers Festival, TEDx Ubud, a Spirit Festival and more. The first 2 of these interest me, the third is not my cup of tea, but no problem. Some find that settling among rice fields 20-30 minutes drive from central Ubud provides the quiet life yet stays within easy reach of the activities.

For me, the Readers and Writers Festival, TEDx Ubud and Spirit Festival has nothing to do with Ubud or Bali. Are organized by foreigners, for foreigners and with foreigners speakers or teachers and probably of course very business oriented it, only probably. I would be more interested in Topeng Festival Wayang Kulit Festival Painters Festival Balinese Food Festival Balinese Dance Festival Gong Festival Gamelan Festival Handicrafts Festival Kamasan Handicraft Festival Bamboo Festival Songket, sarong, batik Festival, clothes Festival Batuan Style Painting Festival Offerings Festival Balinese music Festival Lontar Festival Local products from each Kabupaten Festival (I love to see this on the Bali Art Festival in Denpasar each year, very very interesting in my opinion!!!) Bali is full of arts, culture, dances, music, handicrafts, there is art everywhere and it seems like foreigners or tourists are less and less interested about what really Bali is about or at least what Bali is about for me!!!!!

ferdie

Just found out that only a million people out of six million people in Bali still talks Balinese--> Alam TV text on facts about Bali How much people from the five million people who didn't speak Balinese wanted to preserve Balinese culture and way of life? Just enjoy the present Bali as long as we can :tranquillity: Ubud market is only a small example of it.

no.idea

No one has mentioned beer on this thread. Bugger the cheese and culture, (or even cultured cheese) what about beer?

joji gulapetis

VIVE LA DIFFERENCE. Thank God we are not all like Markit. (or there would be a Gouda shortage worldwide). Begonia, each to their own. The world would be a dull old place if everyone was the same. If Ubud stayed as you wanted it to be, how about what the local balinese in Ubud wanted, has anyone asked them? Would they have wanted to just remain a quiet little village just to please a few "foreigners"? If you had your way there would be a big fence around Ubud, and anyone wanting to enter would have to fill out a questioner. And the local Ubud Balinese would not be allowed any outside influences to keep them "uncontaminated". Bali has thrived on outside influences, you must know that seeing how long you have been visiting there. Balinese culture has survived and thrived on incorporating outside influences it finds suitable, and spitting out any unsuitable ones. The main threat to Bali now is the physical pollution, not the cultural pollution. As long as they can overcome this, they will still be around long after you and I are gone. Somewhere in Miguel Covarrubias's "The Island of Bali", I remember reading his complaint that Balinese culture has been destroyed by tourism, and that was in 1937. Try reading http://www.kuveni.de/cultural%20tourism%20bali.pdf to get some other views on this. Having both the foreign and the local activities will just bring more variety, which in turn will strengthen the Balinese culture.

tintin

Markit wroteMan this is some deeeep shit here. Me, I'm interested in a nice Gouda or a well kept Cheddar - Ubud market have any of that stuff? Feck no! Useless.

Sorry to say, my friend, but your interest in cheeses is rather limited. :highly_amused:

Markit

I reckon they aught to simply plaster over Ubud and make it a parking lot. Get the new bus system (Tran-suborbital, or whatever it's called) to commute to Lovina, Candi Dasa or Kerbokan and you have a working system. Now if you could also ban all the gravel, sand and stone trucks off the roads until after 6pm the rest of us would live truly in paradise. Bit harsh on Ubud, granted but you can't make an omelet without breaking telur.

ronb

Just found out that only a million people out of six million people in Bali still talks Balinese--> Alam TV text on facts about Bali How much people from the five million people who didn't speak Balinese wanted to preserve Balinese culture and way of life? Just enjoy the present Bali as long as we can :tranquillity: Ubud market is only a small example of it.

The population of Bali is more like 4 million (for example, look at Bali - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). Then it depends on what you mean by "talks Balinese". 90% of the people in Bali are Hindu, and so, through their involvement in Village ceremonies etc they probably have a fair understanding of Balinese - but understanding is not the same as frequently speaking the language. Nevertheless, I am a bit skeptical about this statistic. I wonder how well researched it is.

joji gulapetis

But the problem with the Bali culture is a fact, I found a lot of difference between Bali in the 90's and now. Example : The ogoh-ogoh was built as a representation of bad spirits and was meant to be burned as a religious ceremony, but now its a tourist attraction and sold after the parade for display in hotels, LOL

Ferdie, you might find this article of interest http://www.kuveni.de/cultural%20tourism%20bali.pdf "In the temple we ask for a blessing, and at a hotel we ask for money" "It's a ritual dance to ask the gods for a lot of tourists" :topsy_turvy:

ferdie

Ferdie, you might find this article of interest http://www.kuveni.de/cultural%20tourism%20bali.pdf "In the temple we ask for a blessing, and at a hotel we ask for money" "It's a ritual dance to ask the gods for a lot of tourists" :topsy_turvy:

Interesting indeed:icon_biggrin: back then Bone and Batubulan was a major dance attraction:icon_lol:

ferdie

The population of Bali is more like 4 million (for example, look at Bali - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). Then it depends on what you mean by "talks Balinese". 90% of the people in Bali are Hindu, and so, through their involvement in Village ceremonies etc they probably have a fair understanding of Balinese - but understanding is not the same as frequently speaking the language. Nevertheless, I am a bit skeptical about this statistic. I wonder how well researched it is.

Maybe, I only red it on the Alam TV text, just started to watched them recently. There's a big problem with indonesian statistic because they are not very reliable But the problem with the Bali culture is a fact, I found a lot of difference between Bali in the 90's and now. Example : The ogoh-ogoh was built as a representation of bad spirits and was meant to be burned as a religious ceremony, but now its a tourist attraction and sold after the parade for display in hotels, LOL

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