QuestionMark
Hi,
we found a house that we want to rent for 6 months, the current owner is a nice, older, western lady. She asked us to draw up the contract and we agreed, the content isn't the problem but I don't know where to go for this and what to pay. Do I need to notarize it? Or basically just print out the contract and have us both sign it. Are contracts in English enforcable or do they have to be in Indonesian?
Thanks for any help
no.idea
I have actually undertaken a couple of lease agreements with a contract printed up between myself and the land owner. I have not used a notaris.
With both of these I filmed the money handover and the contract being signed. These were only for small amounts of money ($12,000 and $17,500). With bigger contracts and land purchases I have gone along the legal route.
I have had no problems with any contract here.
gilbert de jong
@ lovegrove..now is this negativity or also a heads up ????
@ questionmark..for just 6 months, I would say a kwitansi signed on a materai should suffice, it's not that we're talking USD 20K here.
Ofcourse you can go to a notary, have him make a rental agreement in Indonesian, then you and the old lady sign this at his office.
gonna cost you about 300K-500K rupiah on top of the price of rental.
QuestionMark
That's what I read elsewhere too, thanks. So a contract in English would be binding too? No problem to have it translated but actually not sure if the LL speaks indonesian.
Lovegrove
Speak to Skin - please, for your own sake, don't hand over any money until you speak to a "trusted" English speaking Notaris, read some previous threads - words of advice, if it seems too easy & simple, I don't have to state the obvious.....too good to be true blah, blah, blah
Hmmm very older, western lady, does she even own the property you are going to rent, , where is the proof she has that right, you can find that out.....or easy, hand over your money & she disappears tomorrow, she doesn't own it, & you have no where to live? Then what?
Really, you would be better off staying in a kost, why sign anything for such a short time...it much better for you to make a long term agreement with an established set up
My opinion only, of course, good luck, but I don't put pen to paper, unless it has a gold seal......
QuestionMark
Thank you very much for your concerns.
I don't think we're likely to run into problems here though for various reasons:
- She was referred to us by another woman who has some houses and is building a nice compound right now which we visited, she said she'd ask her friends if they have something fitting for us.
- The deal is not "too good to be true" at all - in fact I'm not even sure if it was my first choice but my GF is so there is that :)
- she does seem committed to bali, her son's business is very close to the house, she lives in another house not far from us either.
I could list more reasons but I hope it's enough to say that I'm not 18, have lived in Asia before and am someone who'd stay away if anything seemed shady about this all - easy enough to find something else.
Thanks again for your concerns though and I don't mean it sarcastically.
Still looking for an answer, I googled around and found some links that say a notaris isn't needed in cases like this and wasted money since they take a pct of the contracts worth..
But would rather hear an up to date opinion.
gilbert de jong
contracts in english are not legal documents in Indonesia..
to be legal it needs to be in indonesian and notarized by a notary.
but again, for a 6 months rental..personally I would just do the signed kwitansi...safes notaryfee and overcomplicating a simple rental agreement between you and the old lady
QuestionMark
one final question, I have read multiple times the phrase "signature [B]over[/B] the materai" or "signed [B]on[/B] the materai". Is that just a phrase and the stamp can be placed anywhere or does the signature actually have to be physically [B]on[/B] the stamp/crossing it? Also, since there will be 2 signatures necessary and two copies, do I need 4 stamps all in all (one per signature, 2 signatures per document, 2 documents) or just two (one per document)?
sakumabali
2 materai (copies don't need one), on both originals you both sign but you keep the 1 where the other guy has signed (on the materai) and the other way around; the beginning or the end of the signature should be ON the materai :)
dontworryaboutit
I reiterate what Gilbert says above...I have only ever rented houses where the owner and I signed a kwitansi with a materai. Ownership has never been an issue for me renting from Balinese in each occasion (3 separate houses).
sherm
QuestionMark wroteThank you very much for your concerns.
I don't think we're likely to run into problems here though for various reasons:
- She was referred to us by another woman who has some houses and is building a nice compound right now which we visited, she said she'd ask her friends if they have something fitting for us.
- The deal is not "too good to be true" at all - in fact I'm not even sure if it was my first choice but my GF is so there is that :)
- she does seem committed to bali, her son's business is very close to the house, she lives in another house not far from us either.
I could list more reasons but I hope it's enough to say that I'm not 18, have lived in Asia before and am someone who'd stay away if anything seemed shady about this all - easy enough to find something else.
Thanks again for your concerns though and I don't mean it sarcastically.
Still looking for an answer, I googled around and found some links that say a notaris isn't needed in cases like this and wasted money since they take a pct of the contracts worth..
But would rather hear an up to date opinion.
That scam is happening all over the place here in California. Someone gains access to empty property, has the locks changed, rents the property out. The scammer does this to about a dozen or so people and then disappears with their rent and deposit. The real owner finds out and family is kicked out... lost their money to a very sincere and trustworthy person.
