Markit
In the last 3 days I've had the good fortune to visit with a number of very nice and friendly Expats that I'm absolutely sure would never think of greeting me and then hitting me upside the head with a hammer - never!!!But what all you dog owners/lovers out there in Bali don't seem to have considered is - [U][B]I fecking hate[/B][/U] having your pooch come up and lick my hands in that friendly way dogs do!! You may know what your dog has been doing or has been vaccinated for [B][I]but I sure don't!!!So next time I visit keep Fido on the lead, locked up in a room or have him put down for the occasion. I don't really care which - but I don't want that son of a bitch licking my fecking hand OK??? [/I][/B]
hermit
[b]Fido lives here,you are not[/b]So next time I visit keep Fido on the lead, locked up in a room or have him put down for the occasion. I don't really care which - but I don't want that son of a bitch licking my fecking hand OK??? [/QUOTE] If worded like this,there will not be a next time as far as i am concerned.
Tiggy
Perhaps you'd consider a full hazmat suit next time you leave the house, just to ensure you don't get cooties ;).Or a slightly simpler suggestion, just ignore the dog, don't put your hands near where they can lick em and most dogs will leave you alone.
ronb
......................So next time I visit keep Fido on the lead, locked up in a room or have him put down for the occasion. I don't really care which - but I don't want that son of a bitch licking my fecking hand OK??? [/I][/B][/QUOTE]I' searching for a word - how about tetchy, or crochety, or cantankerous.
Markit
Ok for the simple minded lets put the discussion on an easier level:If I had a rattlesnake that I loved dearly and I had of course defanged and removed his poison sacks for the comfort of all around him. Lets call him Ratty, OK?You come to visit my house and Ratty is simply overjoyed to see you and before you even notice that Ratty is there he's up your leg and cuddling against your chin. Course you don't know about the defanging or poison removal.:icon_wink:Still with me? How would you feel about Ratty, do you think?See the thing is a rattlesnake bite, regardless of what all stupid Western Movies say, is hardly more poisonous than that of a wasp or bee. But just a lick from dear old Balinese Fido where Rabies is endemic [B][U]can[/U][/B] mean that I die a horrible and painful death. Light beginning to shine yet. I would have thought it was common courtesy - but maybe some of you have forgotten that? Oh, and hermit - I can live with that, but it's a pity you don't seem able to understand what I'm on about...:icon_wink: "my good friend in Bona"...
hermit
Oh, and hermit - I can live with that, but it's a pity you don't seem able to understand what I'm on about...[/QUOTE]It is perfectly clear what you are talking about.I would think that an adult would be able to express his concern about this in a clear way when visiting someone,wich you did not.It is a bit childish to complain afterwards on a public forum about how you were tortured.Do you really think any expat in Bali has un-vacinated dogs?What i object to is the wording of your post.Have you ever considered getting yourself inoculated against Rabies?You might be a little more relaxed in dealing with the world.Allover i suggest you screw back your pace of doing things by 50 %,that also might make you less uptight.No need to reply.
Markit
Believe it or not I didn't just come across one house with a dog that sent me rabid (pardon the pun) but Hermit your house was the 2nd of 3 Western homes that I had the good fortune to visit in the last week and 1 of 5 if I include the Balinese one, with dogs. My venting isn't just a lapse of sanity on my part but an overflow of anger based upon my own experiences and those of many other people who share my concern with their health and the apparent lack of understanding shown by Western doggy lovers.What better place to express this than on an open forum visited by masses of Expat pooch lovers? "Do you really think any expat in Bali has un-vacinated dogs?" Yes! I'm sure of it. But the question is are you willing to bet your life I'm wrong? Why should we have to?"What i object to is the wording of your post." Really? Which one?"Have you ever considered getting yourself inoculated against Rabies?" See, there it is again - why the feck should I get myself painfully and expensively inoculated when all you have to do is put fido on a lead? I really don't get it....:icon_rolleyes:Childish? Childish might best describe the actions of someone who says "Fido lives here, you are not" which I presume means he can do as he pleases where as I, the visitor, have to put up with it? Is that the way you treat all your visitors?Thanks for your concern about my relaxation - I suggest the best thing for that is do as I suggest and put pooch on a lead or in a room during the visit - or at least ask your visitors before fido has layered them with his saliva if it's ok. Called common courtesy - adults do that. Oh as I mentioned at the beginning I was in 5 household with dogs of which 3 were expat - without fail expat fidos bounced and slavered all over me with joy upon my arrival - the Balinese dogs stayed well away and didn't take an eye off me. I prefer the Balinese way, as usual.
tom
My wife is from Lombok. We live in the US. In her home and those around her, dogs are never touched. They are considered unclean. When I first visited her home I noticed the dog and went to pet him. My wife stopped me in a panic. Her family woul have considered me dirty and had difficulty accepting me if I had touched him. She was suprised when she came to the US and saw people with dogs in their homes and allowing them to lick their faces etc. We would visit homes and she would experience the same thing Markit refers to. Now we have two small kids and she has to protect them from the dogs as well. So, I'm just saying, I can relate a bit to Mr. Markit. And perhaps the solution is to move to the village in Lombok. You may have to change your style of communication a bit though.
JohnnyCool
When I first read Markit's post, I thought I should get my eyes checked. Unbelievable...I don't personally know [B]hermit[/B] nor [B]Markit[/B], for that matter.hermit's comment sounds totally reasonable to me:It is perfectly clear what you are talking about. I would think that an adult would be able to express his concern about this in a clear way when visiting someone,wich you did not.[/QUOTE]So what gives here? Markit's statement about rattle snakes [I]vs[/I] wasps is ridiculous. If I had a choice, I'd rather be stung by a wasp than bitten by a rattle snake any day.It's possible that Markit suffers from Cynophobia (fear of dogs and rabies), and possibly Panthophobia (fear of disease and suffering), as well. ("Phobias" are anxiety disorders characterized by extreme and irrational fear of simple things or social situations.)As far as I know, there are few (if any) cures for stupidity apart from death.The following image offers some salient advice when one is put upon by monkeys. Note that it's advisory "number 5"...I wonder what the other ones are.The image is a bit small - sorry for that. (You can still click on it for a slightly bigger version). But what it says is this:[B]5. Never grab a monkey. If a monkey gets on you drop all of your food and walk away slowly. If the monkey jumps on you, stand still and walk away slowly.[/B]Unfortunately it doesn't warn monkeys about rattle snakes (cobras and pit vipers here).[CENTER][ATTACH]795.vB[/ATTACH][/CENTER]
motormouth
[b]On The Sauce[/b]I think Markit has been on the sauce for too long
Markit
Apologies All Round!Let me be man enough to admit in public that I am completely wrong and that I will now, immediately go out and stick my tongue down some mangy street dogs cankerous throat. You big, hairy, manly people on here have rightly put me in my place and I thank you to the bottom of my lilly livered, scaredy pants heart. Just out of interest I thought (before I came to my senses) I'd look up just how bad this silly, mild, negligible, hardly worth mentioning Rabies infestation her on the Island of the Gods really is. Statistically or course. Well, in a normal year (the last year figures were available was 2004) in the USA 1 person dies of Rabies, yep! One whole person - in a [I]really [/I]bad year it's [B]2[/B]!The worst country for human deaths (again 2004) was India where they had in one year, with a population of 900 million people, 21404 deaths there which makes about 1 in every 35000 people died there from the disease. Course here on Bali we don't need to worry at all - don't know what I was thinking... stupid me!With about 50 deaths here a year and a population of 3.5 million we have about only 1 in 70,000 cowardly people that have died of the disease - half the rate of India - pheeew! what a relief that was to me. Oh damn these statistics it is just a teeny tiny smidge up on the rate of 1 in 300,000,000 for the USA :icon_biggrin: But what the hell! Nothing for real men to worry about!Good job Rabid dogs don't carry guns huh? They might really be dangerous then!Now I'm gonna go out and find a dog to play with.
matsaleh
Markit, you've been exonerated![URL="http://www.balidiscovery.com/messages/message.asp?Id=7058"]Bali News: Bali - Island of Dogs[/URL]
mat
I am not a dog lover, in the Uk all dogs mean to me is crap on the side walk, danger of being bit or loose hairs all over the place. In Bali, Rabies, disease, crap, danger to road users and stinky. I do understand dog lovers [my mother had 3 pugs] and can see how they can become part of the family. What is often overlooked by dog lovers is other people may well not hold the same feelings toward their amimals as they do. In fact quite the opposite. I have had a dog owner treating my house [a no pet zone] as a playground for their dogs. Leaving me with hairs, vomit and muddy footprints to clean up. Oblivious to the smell and my discomfort, commenting on how wonderful they are and commenting that the poor dog had eaten too much grass, about the vomiting. Now if they were children, yes, It would be fine. But they are not. They are animals.I understand where Markit is coming from. I agree with him. Whilst I am believer of 'speaking your mind', there are more subtle ways to express the truth. I suspect Markit is not surpised by the reaction he got to his post. After all it was written [like most of his posts] to get a reaction. But for the record;I don't want fido anywhere near me no matter how much you love it!
gilbert de jong
The film asks the question: if we can't get on with the dog, our closest of natural companions, what hope have we with nature herself?
hermit
[b]Rabies[/b]Markit, you've been exonerated![/QUOTE] I really wonder why,Matsaleh?First of all,i take rabies very seriously.I probably are the only member on this forum who can say a familymember died of rabies,albeit a long time ago.I did have myself vaccinated consequently.Markits claim that if expat owners would only chain up their dogs, there would not be a problem is too ridiculous for words.Never met any stray dogs in the streets?Rabies vaccination is [B]NOT[/B]painful,and if taken here not too expensive.Anyway anybody worrying so much about rabies and not taking vaccination because of the cost seems to have a more serious problem.For the majority of you who were not present at markits visit here a short description from my point of view.:He came to get scans of the already earlier discussed Black and White pictures of bali in the 30ties.When arriving he did not say anything about being uncomfortable with my dogs.Both of my dogs are bali dogs,adopted from the asylum in Lodtunduh.One of them,untipical for balidogs,likes everybody and wants to lick them.From the day she arrived here,nothing to do with the nationality of the owner.The other dog behaves like most balidogs and keeps her distance from strangers. When mr.M was seated and scanning pictures,the sweet dog came up once and licked his hand,after wich he mumbled something like,"do not like bali dogs",wich i recieved as a statement.If he was really afraid of being infected at that moment(wich can only happen if you have open wounds on your hands)what would have been more easy than ask if my dogs are vaccinated?I could have provided the immunisationcards in two seconds to put him at ease.Mr M.very courageously stayed two more hours to finish the scanning of the pictures(repeatedly complaining about the speed of my scanner and computer)and then left in a hurry.After recieving him and letting him have the scans i was ,let us put it mildly,unpleasantly surprised to read his verbal fart about all these expat doglovers that had done him wrong.In my opinion the whole rabies angle is just to justify his verbally uncourteous explosion."I prefer the balinese way,as usual "he ended one of his posts.So do I,and therefore i am a hermit and limit my visitors to balinese(of whom no one ever had a problem with my dogs)and dog-toting expats.Thanks for the good lesson!I can only agree with the sharp analysis that Johnny Cool has given above.
Markit
Dear, dear Hermit - my original post was never intended to attack anyone in particular but, if you refer back, was pointed at all dog owners - 5 of which I had visited in short succession. Maybe it's a language thing? I made no mention of you or my visit to your house, you did. I still wish you and your dogs no ill will but I do stand by my rights as a human being! Being a dog owner myself I am all too aware of the passions that these 4 legged beasts can cause - I will never forget the time a neighbour's dog was merrily humping away on my young daughters leg and as Fido's joy juice was frothing onto her socks the neighbour happily announced "Oh how cute, he does really like her!". As Mat said dog owners can be particularly blind to the effect their animals are having on the world around them. That was the purpose of my post - not to upset or offend you personally but to make you and all other dog owners here on Bali understand that there is an issue that they should be aware of with respect to their Fido and other peoples rights not to be endangered by him and his like.Peace! And I was not complaining about the speed of your scanner/computer but about how much of your time I was wasting with my feeble efforts to get those lovely pictures scanned.
