AndrewD
Hi guys,We are a while off moving to Bali for the longer term but I have been writing a move plan with much help from this forum.I would like your comments about the "staff" you may have. How much you are paying your cooks, pembantus, pool boys, drivers and anyone else you think worth mentioning.I have looked back on this board and I saw an old comment about Rp300k per month for a pembantu. For some reason I can change the order of the board from "descending" to "ascending" but I cant get the page to change to page 2, 3 etc so forgive me if post No.21 is exactly about this topic - for some reason I cant get there.Anyhoo, thanks for reading and for any info.CheersAndrewD
Pa_Yan
[b]Mininimum salary[/b][SIZE=2]The minimum salary in each province is listed on this page [url=http://www.gajimu.com/main/Gaji%20Minimum/upah-minimum-propinsi-2010]Upah Minimum Propinsi 2010[/url] . For 2010 the minimum wage is 829,316 rp.[/SIZE][SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
ronb
[SIZE=2]The minimum salary in each province is listed on this page [url=http://www.gajimu.com/main/Gaji%20Minimum/upah-minimum-propinsi-2010]Upah Minimum Propinsi 2010[/url] . For 2010 the minimum wage is 829,316 rp.[/SIZE][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/QUOTE]True - but employers don't worry about this too much so many are paid lower rates - Rp500,000 per month and maybe even less.But then, the Rp830,000 rate is just over Rp30,000 a day, and a whole family may be living off this - so if you drive a hard bargain for lower rates - maybe you will not sleep so well.
Jimbo
I employ family members but they also live rent and food free and schooling also in some cases. Salary is around 500,000 per month
AndrewD
Thank you gentlemen. i thought the old figures would be out of date. Rp839000 is roughly $A100 at todays rate on XE.com so, even if you dont negotiate a cheaper rate, thats not much for a persons labours.CheersAndrewD
Jimbo
You should pay the going rate rather than what you consider is cheap.
Tamispecial
You should pay the going rate rather than what you consider is cheap.[/QUOTE]Totally agree with you Jimbo.I get really annoyed at some places paying under the award and yet are making huge profits....not really fair as far as I'm concerned.Maybe if there were some sort of government department that could impose heavy fines to employers who don't pay the correct wage a lot of employees could maybe enjoy a little bit extra food or comfort.When I have spoken to a lot of my friends here about the salary not being updated they tell me they are too 'scary' to say anything to the boss......this is totally wrong as far as I'm concerned.
pollyanna
[SIZE=2]The minimum salary in each province is listed on this page [URL="http://www.gajimu.com/main/Gaji%20Minimum/upah-minimum-propinsi-2010"]Upah Minimum Propinsi 2010[/URL] . For 2010 the minimum wage is 829,316 rp.[/SIZE][/QUOTE] Could someone please clarify for me what these figures mean? Is this for someone working for an 8 hour day 7 days a week except for ceremonies. It seems like a meaningless figure given that some people work much harder than others at a particular job and others work much longer hours.An example of what I'm asking is this. My Bahasa Indonesia teacher works for a couple as a pembantu every morning for a couple of hours. I think she fixes breakfast and perhaps does some light cleaning, not really sure. How would one determine a fair payment for a situation such as this?
ronb
I think the Rp800,000 is for a full-time job. The morning pembantu would have time for an afternoon job as well - so maybe you count it as half a job.
matsaleh
At the moment, the "going" rate for an employee in the Badung area (Kuta, Legian, Seminyak, Kerobokan, Canggu) for a full time job, (7 hours a day, 6 days a week... say in a shop, hotel, restaurant, etc) is between Rp1 million and Rp1.2 million per month, depending on experience.
scout
You should pay the going rate rather than what you consider is cheap.[/QUOTE] I pay my gardener/pool maintenance man (he is a gem) 1 juta per month and he works 4 hrs per day - mon to sat, that is a flat rate, whether he is at a ceremony or not, on top of that he has two other jobs (with my recommendation). My maid I pay Rp 100,000 per week and she works 3 days x 2 hours, she also take care of paying the electric, telephone, changes the gas when needed and takes the washing to the laundry. I give her petrol money, and also pay for her daughter's schooling. She has been with me for years and is very happy with this arrangement. She has 3 other bules, so at the end of the week her salary is good. At the "end of the day" it all depends on your relationship with your staff, trust etc and loyality, both from them and to them. Give a little extra and you can expect the same in return. On the other side of the coin there is also the takers and users, just be aware and deal with this accordingly.:icon_e_smile:
hermit
[b]Wages[/b]At the moment, the "going" rate for an employee in the Badung area (Kuta, Legian, Seminyak, Kerobokan, Canggu) for a full time job, (7 hours a day, 6 days a week... say in a shop, hotel, restaurant, etc) is between Rp1 million and Rp1.2 million per month, depending on experience.[/QUOTE] Do not forget those are the employees that have raised their marketvalue by learning to speak and understand English.In the rural area where i live hardly anyone in a regular job gets the minimal wages.Sometimes for people that produce handicrafts only half of the minimum.(All working for Balinese bosses)Those working on a per-piece-payment are even worse off. @Polly:I would say normal work would be six days a week,eight hours a day including lunchtime.Of course sometimes they will need more time off at templecelebrations and special days.Personally i feel one hour off at the heat of midday is not enough,so my helper has time for a nap as well.I pay him a little over the minimum,plus half a month extra for Galungan and Kuningan(twice yearly)and a thirteenth month for the new year if he has been behaving well.I think it is a good idea to build in incentives for good work.If you hire someone new,start lower and explain you will raise the salary if you are happy.How is the house coming along?
Pa_Yan
[b]Wages[/b]In this link you can see the minimum wages for each regency.[url=http://allows.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/informasi-upah-minimum-regional-umr/]Informasi Upah Minimum Regional (UMR) Tahun 2009, 2010 FREE >>[/url] It seems that the inflation is quite high in Bali.
pollyanna
Hermit, it's good to have you back. Your post is very helpful. You pointed out that some employees are far more valuable than others based on language and skills. Also hours worked would obviously make a difference. For the government to post a minimum wage without any idea of hours worked is useless to me.@ Scout, thanks also for giving us your guidelines. I think having someone 3 days a week for two hours a day would be all I need and I didn't have any idea how much to pay for the service.
scout
Hi Polly, Agree with you, I like to do somethings for myself, eg: personal hand washing and ironing, I also get into the garden with Made' at least 2 days per week. I have no desire to sit around watching others work.Have sent you a PM :icon_wink:
hermit
[b]Skills[/b]Hermit, it's good to have you back. Your post is very helpful. You pointed out that some employees are far more valuable than others based on language and skills. [/QUOTE]Well,i did certainly not mean to say that people making handicrafts were unskilled,on the contrary.I just was trying to say that the reality is many people do not get the minimum wage and gave the handicrafts as an example.Considering the size of your garden-to-be i think you should have at least a part-time gardener.If not you will have no time left to make chocolate mud cake or cookies.
pollyanna
Well,i did certainly not mean to say that people making handicrafts were unskilled,on the contrary.I just was trying to say that the reality is many people do not get the minimum wage and gave the handicrafts as an example.Considering the size of your garden-to-be i think you should have at least a part-time gardener.If not you will have no time left to make chocolate mud cake or cookies.[/QUOTE] Yes, I understand that you're not saying people making handicrafts are unskilled. In fact so often they are incredibly skilled. I am still in awe of the Balinese ability to create beauty whether in a home, a garden, or in handicrafts.One thing Scout touched on is having people who feel they are being fairly or generously paid. At present we have a happy building site with much laughter. I want that to continue when we're living in the house and don't want people working with us who feel resentful about the money they are being paid.And I think we will have a part-time gardener. We not only want the beauty of a tropical Balinese well-kept garden but also want to have a veggie and herb patch. Can't wait to be growing my own veggies so I know what has (or has not) gone into growing them.And I'll come by for that chocolate chip cookie making oven very soon. Today we're taking the five grandchildren to the zoo. I imagine all I'll want at the end of this day is a cool drink and a soft lounge chair.
