fisherman
How much should we pay for ceremonies for outside temples?Have sorted out gardener problem and now we find the costs are escalating.When we arrived in Bali, we walked in on ceremony.The money certainly was not spent on fruit or food.We already have all the gear that is used. Thank you very much for help with gardener enquiry.I am fisherman's wife,had a good laugh at his posts.Mind you ,men should not forget who controls the balance of power in a relationship.Might even hide his fishing gear, only joking. :)
gilbert de jong
hai,what exactly do you mean with "outside temples"? do you mean the temple in the south-east corner of your property, or the temple in the village?
fisherman
I am hopeless with directions , but the temple is inside the back yard.Its long and skinny.Do not want dog sacrifice, just something basic.Only want for Balinese staff and Balinese friends.Inside the house we have had blessed by local catholic priest, closest we could find to anglican priest.I thought that 350,000 rp for holy man a little steep, so best thing to do is ask people who know the correct amount and what is expected of us.Certainly do not want to offend any one by underpaying.
fisherman
I forgot to mention, the 350,000rp was only small part of charge for the ceremony. We have 2 temples 1 in 1 corner and one in the other.We already give money to local banjar for basically whatever they ask for.
tintin
gilbert,Excuse me but the house temples are ALWAYS in the most sacred position, [i]kaja-kanging[/i] i.e., the North-east corner of the house, and the North of course, is straight toward the holly mountain, Gunung Agung.fisherman,Excuse me, but I do not understand at all. First, you say you have TWO temples: are they inside your house? Never heard of such arrangement.Second, why employ a Catholic priest (or Anglican) when this is a Balinese temple and if there is something that is not lacking in Bali, it's the number of priests... :roll:
fisherman
Sorry Gilbert, I know I am not very clear. We have 2 outside temples in ,I am not very good with directions. One is when you enter the garden on the left , the other one is further down the garden on same side.We had Hindu priest come inside the house to take out small offering areas.I am not sure if this is correct term then we asked Catholic priest to bless the inside of the house . I was told this was necessary to have both blessings when removing something that has Hindu religious significance.Mind you I am pretty gullible.We thought we would have inside Christian and outside in garden areas Hindu.A melding of two cultures!!East and west blending together sort of thing.
gilbert de jong
I thought that 350,000 rp for holy man a little steep[/quote]yeah...religion comes with a price :lol: :wink: .temples are ALWAYS in the most sacred position, kaja-kanging i.e., the North-east corner of the house, and the North of course, is straight toward the holly mountain, Gunung Agung.[/quote] so not [u]always[/u] in the north east corner, when one lives north of the gunung :lol: .TWO temples: are they inside your house? Never heard of such arrangement.[/quote] don't want to brag...but I have three 8) ...at the gate, at south-east cornet of property (not house), and one on the perimeter of the padi (dewi sri)One is when you enter the garden on the left , the other one is further down the garden on same side.[/quote] I think the first one is the entrance place 'temple', something to do with keeping the bad spirits away by offering to the good ones. the other one is your property temple, that's where the priest (hindu = empu, or pedanda if I remember right) will sort of tell the gods that you and your family live there and if they (gods) can please watch over you+family and the property..I always say one can't have enough blessings, just in case he/she/it (god) does exist, so going double is just fine.anyways, for the announcing to the gods it will costs you some chicken, rice, coffee, flowers and some more of little things...oh yeah, some thread (used for sewing) red/white and black..and ofcourse the hindu priest. maybe pricing is location related, but uphere in the north the abracadabra costed me 3.5 juta...I'm a sucker for babi guling so that' why it was a little expensive..but is in no way necessary to go all-out for this, just to please your bali employees or adjoining village-people.As for paying the banjar anything they ask...please don't, ofcourse you make your own decisions and who am I to give you advice, but evrything they ask is bit overdoing it...on a yearly basis (depending on the size,number of people in the banjar) a donation of 2/ 2,5 juta is more then enough, that comes down to 200.000 a month. Should get you boxseats at the pura btw :) .okidoki fisherman or fishermans-wife...hope this helps a little.friendly greetings, gilbert.
tintin
Hi Gilbert,tintin wrote:temples are ALWAYS in the most sacred position, kaja-kangin i.e., the North-east corner of the house, and the North of course, is straight toward the holly mountain, Gunung Agung.so not always in the north east corner, when one lives north of the gunung .[/quote][/quote:3akczy5g]This is exactly what I wrote: the North is always "straight toward the holly mountain." So, if one is on the North Coast of Bali, the "Bali North" is actually pointing toward the geographical South. From Candi Dasa, where I believe you are, "Bali North" is almost pointing toward the geographical West.tintin wrote:TWO temples: are they inside your house? Never heard of such arrangement.[/quote]don't want to brag...but I have three ...at the gate, at south-east cornet of property (not house), and one on the perimeter of the padi (dewi sri)[/quote][/quote:3akczy5g]Regarding the number of temples in a compound, I am sorry about the confusion, as I assumed we were talking only about the "family temple," the one located [i]kaja-kangin[/i], where the ancestors of the family are worshipped ([i]sanggah[/i], low cast, and [i]merajan[/i], highcast). So, there are other shines (not temples) in a compound, such as the [i]sanggah pengijen[/i], where the spirit protector of the house resides, and it is usually located at the center of the compound; the [i]palinggih taksu[/i], on the [i]kaja[/i] side; the [i]tugu[/i] , found on the [i]kaja-kauh[/i] of the property. At the main entrance of the compound, there is a shrine, [i]apit lawang[/i], on each side of the gate.Did I forget anything? Yes, in the kitchen (very important), the [i]sanggah paon[/i], and by the well, the [i]sanggah sukan[/i].One does not pray at all of these shrines, but daily (or almost) offerings are a MUST, in order to keep yourslf and your family well protected. :)
tintin
fisherman,As you said, you are indeed "pretty gullible" with all that circus (Sorry, Roy). But you are also living dangerously. Bringing in the mix a Catholic priest should guarantees you, at least, excommunication (don't you remember that "outside the Church, there is no salvation?). Now G*d is not going to be happy when you mix him(her) up with Wisnu, Siwa, Brahma, Sanghyang Widhi, and Company. This is a sure recipe to get you a one way ticket to Tartarus. :(
fisherman
Ok Tintin, because we are christian, should we just do away with the ceremonies? To us they are not important.I know we are gullible, come in spinner.Still if you have not been ripped off at least once you haven't been to Bali.Sometimes its like a game of chess, trying to think of your opponents next move.Why do I keep getting checkmated. I know because I am gullible and so is my husband fisherman.I guess we have too much political correctness shoved down our throats in Oz on a daily basis.Who wants to be a chairperson?Sounds like a piece of furniture.
tintin
fisherman,My last remarks were made in jest. Most likely, the reason you had a Balinese priest come and bless the house had more to do with a public relation gesture with the rest of the community than a religious conviction.As for being "ripped-off", well, if one has been in Bali for any length of time, one has certainly been "ripped-off" more than once. But, being "ripped-off" is most of the time in the eyes of the beholder... :)
Jimbo
Convinced now that you are Roy
