Do you pay a full years rent up front?

Hi BeckyUsually you have to pay upfront for a year and sometimes even two years. I missed out on the house I really wanted because I couldnt pay two years upfront.

Hi,I'am also looking for properties. I want to rent a property for 10 years.Does anybody know if the payment terms are negotiable? So for example paying the rent in 5 termins? Or is it just paying upfront?thanks in advance,Hugo

yep, most require you to pay up frontscroll through the archives to read the ups and downs asociated with this.handing over 10g or more up front in a country where you as a visitor have no legal rights leaves you open to manipulation by those who know how to work the system, so get everything you are unsure of in writing.

thanks for the advice. When i start a negotiation i'll know wat my options aregrtz,hugo

hi beckybali,a one year rental agreement is 9 out of 10 times paid in advance. Hope you'll find the place you're looking for and have a wonderful time here on Bali.a country where you as a visitor have no legal rights leaves you open to manipulation[/quote] What kind of manipulation would that be Hinakos??? and being a foreigner, one ofcourse has legal rights....why else go to all the trouble and let the notaris make several binding agreements, if those agreements wouldn't give you (as a visitor?) legal rights??? you yourself finish your post with " anything unsure of get it in writing".heerhugo, usualy a ten year lease is paid in two terms, upfront 5 years and after the 5 years the second payment fro the next 5 years, but it's all depending on the person who wants to rent out his place. an Example for that is what happened to mimpimanis...he/she wanted two years upfront and wouldn't want to settle for one year upfront and the second year when the first term was over. For whatever reason...probably he/she had debts and needed all the money upfront....Friendly greetings, Gilbert.

bintang supermarket also has a noticeboard out the front, usually isnt as good as the rest but ok. Warung Italia also does.Be careful of agents and hangers on who merely go around checking these boards and the Bali advertiser and offer things you can usually find yourself. You will find when things go wrong with your rental place, they are nowhere in sight.Unfortunately in my 6 years living in Bali, I experienced the grey area of of few of these things. If i had Gilberts immense wisdom and thorough working knowledge of the Indonesian legal system, and his knowledge of how and easy and clear cut all things legal here are, i might have avoided this and many other of the ups and downs ive experienced here. :)

:lol: just to make clear, I have no great knowledge of the legal-system. Immense wisdom... and Immense is a relative term, so what for you might be considered immense, for me is just common sense. :) However and this is just personal experience from the short time I live here on Bali...it's not that important WHAT one knows, but WHO one knows. btw, that's the same in the Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, USA, so probably all around the world it's like that.Back to Bali... There are so many expats who don't interact with the local people ( don't know if you're one of those), that they hardly have friends amongst them, and therefor stay a visitor who might be taking advantage of. Having friends like I do, sure helps me in getting what I want, either for myself (for example local rates on a golfcourse :wink: )or helping another friend getting what he/she needs.Anyways, It is sad you have went through some downs, but hey you also had some ups, so I hope that balanced it out. Friendly greetings......Gilbert.ps: still would like to hear from you how someone can be manipulated, or why a visitor has no rights?

:lol: just to make clear, I have no great knowledge of the legal-system. Immense wisdom... and Immense is a relative term, so what for you might be considered immense, for me is just common sense. :) [/quote]yes, but you are a lot smarter than most, so what us mere mortals struggle with is pretty easy for you. However and this is just personal experience from the short time I live here on Bali...it's not that important WHAT one knows, but WHO one knows.[/quote]Well im not a firearms expert giving lessons to Kopassus or TNI in my spare time, so probably dont have the friends you do. One minute you blab about how you have plenty of rights here, the next you come up with this pearl. And only days earlier how you had to bribe (oops, pay an expediting fee!) PLN to have power connected to your house. btw, that's the same in the Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, USA, so probably all around the world it's like that.Back to Bali... There are so many expats who don't interact with the local people ( don't know if you're one of those), that they hardly have friends amongst them, and therefor stay a visitor who might be taking advantage of. [/quote]OK Gilbert, no, in my years working from Sumatra, Java, and Maluku, and West Papua , ive never had to interact with local people. Nor in my travels to far flung isles where they dont even speak Bahasa.Having friends like I do, sure helps me in getting what I want, either for myself (for example local rates on a golfcourse :wink: )or helping another friend getting what he/she needs.[/quote]Arent we giving advice to someone who is new to Bali looking for a place to live. Theyre not gonna be a wise or connected as you are here.....By the way, arent you on a Kitas? This automatically gets you discount at the golf course , you dont need "connnections" for that if your a Kitas holder.Anyways, It is sad you have went through some downs, but hey you also had some ups, so I hope that balanced it out. [/quote]Thanks for the compassion buddy, but this thread was about giving someone advice on finding a new place, not buffing ego. Friendly greetings......Gilbert.[/quote]Ram it up your khyber GI- Joe, go teach the TNI how to shoot (in your spare time of course), so they can continue their great work. Ill be sure and ask my old friends and once time personal security (Balinese, who were Brimob stationed in Ambon/Seram to protect us during the 2 years i worked there) about what training they or TNI recieve from Bules. This doesnt include hanging out down at the nearest barracks and buying the bintangs. ps: still would like to hear from you how someone can be manipulated, or why a visitor has no rights?[/quote]go through the old threads on renting places. one example of manipulation includes having to wait for weeks and weeks on end in order to get power hooked up to your new premises, until you are forced to pull nearly a grand out of your back pocket to get the job done.? another might be not being told about possible tax implications before handing over your 2 years up front, and then being sprung with it later. (i know i know, its all my fault, it would never have happened to you). A visitor might have no rights when driving a car down the street and having a local come out of a side street and smash into you on a bike, ending up in hospital and asking you to pay the bill. Your refusal could create some issues for you, talk to your TNI buddies about how they can make money in their spare time.theres just a few.and yes Gilbert, the ups outweigh the downs. If they didnt I wouldnt be here.

your welcome beckybali :) .Same here....Bali is my new home, and for me it's normal to interact with all sorts of local balinese people. With an attitude as yours, about lessons in life, I have no doubt you will succeed in making Bali the place you call home too.Now for hinakos....since you say you're not that smart, which is btw quit obvious by the tone and things you like to mention in your post, I will explain....by me saying, it's not that important what one knows rather then who one knows, for example---it's hard pressing charges to someone, if the policeofficer doesn't want to take your statement, because he knows the person in question. There was a girl raped/molested by an policeofficer and the family was scared to go to the police to press charges. Finally the family including the girl had gathered enough courage to go to the police-office, where they we're interviewed by a cop, who knew the suspect. Therefor he didn't want to take the statement, and talked the family out of pressing charges, because according to him it would never stick. Maybe now you understand what or how I mean?? If not another example, if one plays golf with some of the judges...and that one has to appear in court, I dont think they(the judge) would sentence to the max. I don't even think whatever it is would make it to court.As for me "teaching" TNI how to use firearms, yeah I probably do have different kind of friends then you do...SO??The electricity hook-up, when I payed that I was not aware of any pricelist, or the going rate , or that there could be some kind of waitinglist...back then I was 7 or 8 months on Bali and he (the manager) could have asked double and I still would have paid it...do I care he took money from the top, no I don't, because I could enjoy living in my new house a little earlier. Yeah, you interact with local people, but by moving around so much for your work, I think it would be hard to build any kind of long-lasting relation with them?As for the golf playing, I actualy never pay any greenfee's. Think that they make enough money on the restaurant and barbill.I dont believe in ego buffing, byt hell if your post towards me made you feel any better...ok.I'm happy for you. I just didn't like the tone or style, and therefor this long answer, hoping you get a little wiser from it.Your examples of Manipulation make no sense at all, waiting for power is just the way it is.when you drive your car and hit someone on a motorbike or other car, it's normal to pay for damages inflicted, be it material or physica. If I ever would run some one over, I'd pay it and ask for the bills and sent them to my insurancecompany...no harm-no foul? The other way around might be more difficult, if someone would inflict damege to me our my car/bike, I would have the right that they pay for it, but if they have no mone and forsure no insurance...what can I do, then just be happy that I am still alive? Having rights and getting them for me are separate things.Don't get the remark that I should talk to my TNI buddies, on how they can make some extra money??Anyways, I am getting tired now from writing this long post. So i'll leave it at this, take care.......Gilbert.

Now for hinakos....since you say you're not that smart, which is btw quit obvious by the tone and things you like to mention in your post, I will explain....[/quote]look up sarcasm in your dictionary. I know english isnt your first language, but you leave yourself wide open.....would have saved you the sore fingers typing these poor examples you provided below which do nothing to support your statements about manipulation and having rights hereby me saying, it's not that important what one knows rather then who one knows, for example---it's hard pressing charges to someone, if the policeofficer doesn't want to take your statement, because he knows the person in question. There was a girl raped/molested by an policeofficer and the family was scared to go to the police to press charges. Finally the family including the girl had gathered enough courage to go to the police-office, where they we're interviewed by a cop, who knew the suspect. Therefor he didn't want to take the statement, and talked the family out of pressing charges, because according to him it would never stick. Maybe now you understand what or how I mean?? [/quote]I take it this example is from Bali? If not another example, if one plays golf with some of the judges...and that one has to appear in court, I dont think they(the judge) would sentence to the max. I don't even think whatever it is would make it to court.[/quote]so basically the point i was making is that here in a place far from your home country (as an expat), be careful as you have very few rights.(this was in regards to rentals, which was the original subject of the thread) You then go on to say this is not true, by giving the above 2 examples. As for me "teaching" TNI how to use firearms, yeah I probably do have different kind of friends then you do...SO??[/quote] once again, your poor grasp of the english language makes it hard for you to decipher when someone is taking the piss and how. When you respond to threads with sarcasm and interject to what others say, and then give examples which make no sense at all (see above) , what do you expect?The electricity hook-up, when I payed that I was not aware of any pricelist, or the going rate , or that there could be some kind of waitinglist...back then I was 7 or 8 months on Bali and he (the manager) could have asked double and I still would have paid it...do I care he took money from the top, no I don't, because I could enjoy living in my new house a little earlier.[/quote]this is an example of manipulation, spin it any way you like. its what you asked me to provide. Yeah, you interact with local people, but by moving around so much for your work, I think it would be hard to build any kind of long-lasting relation with them?[/quote]Gilbert, ive lived in Bali 6 years, and been coming longer. I work month on month off, so every second month im here.As for the golf playing, I actualy never pay any greenfee's. Think that they make enough money on the restaurant and barbill.[/quote]so youve gone from paying "locals rates" (what you said in your last thread), to not actually paying any green fees at all because of what you eat and drink in the restuaraunt?I know fully fledged members who've been playing for years in Bali (these guys spend the GDP of some small countries at the bar and restuaraunt) , so well done on this one, in your short time iin Bali youve managed to get for free what very few else have.I dont believe in ego buffing, byt hell if your post towards me made you feel any better...ok.I'm happy for you. I just didn't like the tone or style, and therefor this long answer, hoping you get a little wiser from it.[/quote]I hope my post helps you answering others in the future. Through a combination of naivety, english not being your first language , and attempted smart arsedness (i think), your posts come across as condescending. When you do this, as you have several times before, sooner or later someone will tire of it and take you on. Your examples of Manipulation make no sense at all, waiting for power is just the way it is.[/quote]you were "manipulated" into parting with 8jt to expedite the process Gilbert, no matter how you look at it. You're the one who asked for an example of manipulation, its pretty black and white to me.when you drive your car and hit someone on a motorbike or other car, it's normal to pay for damages inflicted, be it material or physica. If I ever would run some one over, I'd pay it and ask for the bills and sent them to my insurancecompany...no harm-no foul?[/quote]This isnt what i said, i said when someone hits you, but thanks for the rant. The other way around might be more difficult, if someone would inflict damege to me our my car/bike, I would have the right that they pay for it, but if they have no mone and forsure no insurance...what can I do, then just be happy that I am still alive? Having rights and getting them for me are separate things.[/quote]Hmmm, having rights and getting them are separate things. No point having them really then is there? Hang around Bali a bit longer and talk to people who've been involved in accidents here Gilbert and you'll get the point. Some have happy endings, some dont. Gilbert, your positivity and super cheery attitude is ok IMHO, but when you condascend the [i]very few[/i] people here whove been round a day or 2 here longer than you in bali by asking them to provide examples of what theyve just posted, armed with nothing other than smily faces, winks,examples that dont back up your claims, and a last liner that adds insult, your gonna catch some flak.see you at the 18th.

Dear hinakos,My first post in which I asked for an example of not having rights regarding rentals, you still haven't answered. I asked that because I really have no idea what or how someone can be manipulated regarding rental agreements, I just wanted to know from someone who lives here longer on the Island then me. If asking is condascending???...why is there then this forum, where people can askBut as an answer I got some snipey response from you about wisdom and such. So I reacted with a somewhat snipey response to that(although still meant well, and kept it normal)On this post, it is you who answers with bringing up irrelevant things like what I do in my sparetime. And in my next post I just react to those irrelevant things you seemed neccesary to make a point, or score a point. That's what I meant with obvious btw.Oh and sarcasme is great, but better used in a face 2 face communication. Since communicating on this forum is not face 2 face communication, one can not know how something that is being written us supposed to be meant...I mean that I just read and don't make assumptions to how someone means what they are writing, therefor if I don't understand something I ask, If by me asking something comes across as me being a smartass, I don't understand that since there is no underlying message intented by me. What I mean is when I want something to come across, I'll make sure there can be no mistake in how I meant it. Same goes for me being condascending towards people who have been longer on the Island, I don't intend or try to come over as an Know-it-all/smartass, that being said it doesn't automatically mean that someone who's longer on the Island, also knows best or has more experience in certain matters.As for some insult I have made (don't know what you mean, lastliner?)...maybe the I am getting tired? If that's what you meant, I really was getting tired and wanted to go to bed. But again it was not me but you who started with "I should shove it up my Khyber." So you want to continue this "going nowhere" discussion and move on, or shall we continue this and do I have to keep on replying in my very bad English? Which is btw good enough to become a teacher at the Uni here? But then again good and bad are also relative terms... One more thing about rights...having them, makes it a hell of alot easier in getting them, and therefor it's good if one has them. But it's two seperate things.See you at the 18? I'll be in the bar, but when you're done playing I'll buy you a drink.So to finish this reply, I hope there are no harsh feelings between us and you're right about that I have a positive attitude or cheery....Life's too short too bitch around. But I have never ran for any "fight" so if you want to take me on, so be it.Take care........Gilbert.

Why not take it to private mail rather than a public forum. Tit for tat. Na Na Na na na. Not interesting or required.

Right Jimbo.Take it elsewhere folks.

Like Bert says:Take it elsewhere folks.[/quote]This is some of the worst, self-opinionated rubbish I've read in a long time.No wonder I feel "dazed". :cry:

Doris - you fem fatal. Normally I would agree with you. But I think Hinakos was doing a sterling job on a very condescending poster.What about that you promised me? :oops: dash

date? oops :!:

:lol: yeah...you would "think" that dasha :lol: