North Bali tide chart

LMM

Hello everybody Can anyone help me to find a 2009/2010 tide chart for the Lovina area? I’m planning to build a wall in the beach and that info will be most appreciated. Thanks. LM

gilbert de jong

[quote=LMM] I’m planning to build a wall in the beach [/quote] I guess you want to know how far the water is coming up the beach to not break the building regulations? I don't know about the tides, but why not ask the people around you overthere..or maybe spicedive can help you out with the tides, it would make sense for a diving 'school' to know the tides. goodluck, friendly greetings Gilbert.

LMM

Hi Gilbert Tides can be calculated mathematically. I want to know the precise moment of the year when sea water will be at its highest. I am sure that diving school businesses are affected by tides but I don’t think they care too much about water being 50 cm. higher or lower. But in any case I will check with them I thought that maybe some of the local calendars could have some indications in that sense Thanks for your help Gilbert

Markit

Good luck trying to figure out the tides here and around the Badung Straights - I've got my "Day Skipper" certificate (sailing in English waters and the channel) and to tell the truth I've never seen anything like these waters! Up to 4 tides a day because of the proximity of the other islands, division between the Pacific and Indian Oceans, changing winds, etc, etc. Check were the high water mark is marked by the plant life - that should give you the best indication and also you will run into some serious shite from the locals if you try and wall off the ocean - check first if they ever have ceremonies on your stretch of beach first! I've run into some truly upset natives because of all us Bule thinking we can just wall off part of their country/ceremonial area so be very careful.

LMM

Hi Gilbert & Kermit I'm familiar with the reactions of the local villagers and the construction requirements. I've been dealing with them for some time now and I think I know how to face them. My intention now is to builld a wall upon an existing foundation. I want to make sure high tide waters will not reach it. For taht reason my question is simple: :?: [b]when does the highest tide in the Lovina area occurs?[/b] :?: thanks for all your concerns and specially for checking the local calendars,I imagined it would be a good resource.

Adam

Hi LMM, I should be able to work it out very easily for you buddy (I have a commercial skippers licence here in Oz and am rarely off boats) so long as I can get my hands on the 'official' publications such as Navy charts, Pilot handbooks etc etc. which I'm sure must exist somewhere. I have a mate here in Oz who skippers prawn trawlers in Indo, I'll try and see if I can chase up the relevant literature thru him. The downside is I'm just about to head to Indo myself, so won't be able to do anything to help for a few weeks unfortunately. Anyway, the offers there :wink: Cheers Adzy P.S. "Kermit" - Love it ha ha ha :lol: :lol: :lol:

tintin

Hi LMM, I do not understand your last statement [quote] I'm familiar with the reactions of the local villagers and the construction requirements.[/quote] If you were familiar with the construction requirements, you would know that, according to a regulation valid for the WHOLE of Bali, any permanent structure MUST be at least 50 meters (+/-, I don't have the time to research the exact distance) away from the high tide line. This is also true if you are building your new wall on the foundations of the old one, which obviously was in violation of this relatively new regulation.

gilbert de jong

@tintin, I am not trying to be a know-it all, just trying to help and give Info as I know it.. regulations are different from place to place, at least that's my experience...If the 50 meters would be a regulation in Lovina, they could start tearing down alot of places, hotels and houses. If there's a IMB for that premisses of LMM, he's safe building up on a old foundation...Old IMB's (old foundations) could not fall under 'new' regulations. At least that's what been told me. friendly greetings, Gilbert.

gilbert de jong

Checked the local Calendar, didn't see anything about tides....alot of explanations about starsigns and Hindu stuff, but no tides. LMM you skipped my question if it was/is your intention to build on the beach.... So just in case it is....you can forget about building onto the sand beach in Lovina... if you need to build a wall, to keep out the seawater at hightide (west-Lovina), in other words restore a old wall and or make it higher, that's no problem. but the first is a No-No. Unless you pay off the people in charge now, but then you would have to pay again and again and again, when new people take office. And then like Markit says, you would have the risk locals would just tear down your wall. Personally tried to get a license to make a T-Shape Pier for docking 4 to 6 yachts/sailboats, one would think Buleleng/Lovina/Singaraja would be happy with that right, at least I thought that, but didn't get the license to build...

tintin

Hi Gilbert, Certainly, I am far from being an expert in these matters. I was only basing my opinion on recent similar problems in the South. Furthermore, you have had the experience of successfully building in Bali, which I haven't (I had "bought" my house, since sold, already built). In Pemuteran, when my friend/boss built his resorts, being a convinced ecologist, he made a point of abiding by this regulation. Anyway, in Bali, as you know as well as I do, there are regulations and there are regulations...When one of the big Government honchos gets a hair up his a$s, for whatever reason (maybe he did not get a kick back in the first place?) some regulations are enforced (for example the recent Anantara Hotel fiasco), but most of the time, they are not.

ronb

I find that the Surabaya chart http://www.mobilegeographics.com:81/locations/6254.html a very good guide to North Bali. Its distance west from Lovina suggests that high tides should arrive 1 hour later, but the time difference is 1 hour, so you can read off the times of Surabaya and they are a good guide. But the really useful info is the pattern of highs and lows which varies through the month - sometimes there are 2 highs in a day, sometimes one almost disappears so there is only really one high in the day. All this Surabaya info seems to work well for Lovina.

gilbert de jong

just trying to prevent you from waisting your money, I mean "literally throwing your money into the sea" :lol: ....and since this is open for anyone to read, it might help someone who has never heard of building away from the beach :roll: . Anyways, your welcome. Oh and if you're on the Lovina beach at 23.20 you're 1 hour too late to check the waterlevels at their highest point(according to ronb). On that date and time, I will be checking different levels of liquids 8) Take care and hope all woks out with your wall.

LMM

Hi Gilbert I trully appeciate all your concerns and be sure I take into good consideration all what is expresed in this forum. I hope one day I be lucky enough to be there with you checking exotic liquid levels. Regards

Dasha

Hi LMM Not sure if this is helpful to you but it's the tide charts for Benoa Harbour for 2009 in PDF. The times maybe different for Lovina being on the north side as opposed to the East but the levels should be the same. Adam might know a bit more about this than I do so you maybe ask him if there is a difference. http://www.baliwaves.com/surfing-in-bali/tide-charts/ cheers Dasha

LMM

Hi Dasha Unfortunately the charts made for surfers only cover daylight hours. Frequently highest tides occur at night. In any case is a good indication about the day the event will happen. Thanks for your help Dasha

mat

I just want to make a point here. The highest tide on a chart , is just that. Obviously during stormy weather the sea can often exceed the highest 'charted level'. I was in Anturan [nr Lovina] in February this year and the sea was coming up the road, many people had abandoned their washed out beach front homes for a few days. Regularly, every year the sea destroys some wall or other along that coast. Good Luck.

LMM

For those discussing about building regulations, I’m afraid you missed my question. :o Adam: I’ve checked some computer programs that can predict tides worldwide but I’ve not found any that has a measuring station near Lovina. It will most helpful to know the predictions from your Oz mate and/or the tide tables whenever you’ve the opportunity to share them with me. :) Ronb: I knew about that software but I was not sure that the results from Surabaya could be comparable to those for Lovina. According to that program the highest tide in Surabaya should occur December 31 at 22:20; being sea vater level at +2.92 m. If, as you propose, Lovina is one hour late, the H hour is 23.20; great moment to be there cheking water levels !!! :) In any case, it will be interesting to compare the software predictions with the intuition from the Oz skippers. :shock: Thank you all

ronb

[quote=LMM] Ronb: I knew about that software but I was not sure that the results from Surabaya could be comparable to those for Lovina. According to that program the highest tide in Surabaya should occur December 31 at 22:20; being sea vater level at +2.92 m. If, as you propose, Lovina is one hour late, the H hour is 23.20; great moment to be there cheking water levels !!! :) In any case, it will be interesting to compare the software predictions with the intuition from the Oz skippers. :shock: Thank you all[/quote] Yes the highest tides come with the full moon near to the December solstice. But Jan and Feb full moons are also pretty high. And there is more likelihood of strong winds and big waves in Jan/Feb so some of the worst beach erosion happens then. The locals will tell you that you are likely to see damage around Chinese New Year. I think you got the time difference backwards - the high tide should arrive in Lovina 1 hour earlier, but Bali time is one hour ahead of Java time - so if it says 22:20 for Surabaya, then I would expect 22:20 plus/minus 20 min or so for Lovina.

pelpinda

Is there someone who could tell me where I can find the rules for building a home. I now about the tide rule around the Lovina area and was wondering what other rules apply and where to find it!

gilbert de jong

rules?? assuming you have land you want to build on, and you have the right to build on that land, the next step is to have drawings of the house to build (incl. situation/where the house is going to be placed on the land) and an estimate of costs wich you then use to apply for a building permit (IMB)..if there would be any conflictations with rules, they won't issue the permit. some basic rules are (ratter flexible though), between perimeter wall and road 1 meter of space, not allowed to build higher then 4 floors, if you're gonna build in a desa it's custom to employ people from the desa (not all workers, but at least 25%). maybe markit knows about some other rules? you could also check his blog about his adventure of building on bali, it's fun to read and useful information. goodluck. gilbert.