luchino
Hello, my question is:i living in bali with 600/700 euro month ??? including appartament or small house ???
Bert Vierstra
[b]Re: costs of living in Bali.[/b]Welcome luchino...Yes you can.
FreoGirl
Do you reckon that's enough including things like insurance and visa runs Bert?
mimpimanis
How much is that in Rp? Dont know Euros at all.
Jimbo
How much is that in Rp? Dont know Euros at all.[/quote]Roughly Rp9.5 million at todays rates. Enough for very quiet living including a small house or apartment but with visa runs and medical not much left over.When you consider that many Indonesians live on one million it does put things into perspective. My food bill alone for a month is 4 million!
Bert Vierstra
Do you reckon that's enough including things like insurance and visa runs Bert?[/quote]Yes. Its tight, but it should be enough. You can rent a "place" for 10 jt , need another 10 jt for two visa runs a year.Leaves about 90jt yearly for the rest = 7.5 jt monthlyMaybe luchino's next question is "how?" ;)
FreoGirl
How much is that in Rp? Dont know Euros at all.[/quote]Roughly Rp9.5 million at todays rates. Enough for very quiet living including a small house or apartment but with visa runs and medical not much left over.When you consider that many Indonesians live on one million it does put things into perspective. My food bill alone for a month is 4 million![/quote]Wow Jimbo, that's alot considering how cheap food is in Indonesia. How many people is that feeding? do you eat out in Western restaurants often?Luchino, I would say 'yes you can, but...' You wouldn't have much left for extras, so you would need to make sure you had a bit put away somewhere for emergencies. Your lifestyle would be very modest, and you would not have a big sum for entertainment. So if you are the kind that wants to go to the bar and drink, and eat out in western restaurants, eat European food, it is not really enough. But if you want to live cheapely then you could do it for sure.
Bert Vierstra
Damned I spend about 3jt on smoking cigarettes alone while in the Netherlands. Glad I stopped...
mimpimanis
Congratulations Bert!
FreoGirl
Damned I spend about 3jt on smoking cigarettes alone while in the Netherlands. Glad I stopped...[/quote]We also used to spend 3J + on cigarettes a month in Australia - glad we stopped too! 24th December 2003. That's over 170 Juta saved so far - enough for a block of land in Lombok.
Jimbo
Wow Jimbo, that's alot considering how cheap food is in Indonesia. How many people is that feeding? do you eat out in Western restaurants often?[/quote]Varies between 6 and a lot depending on visitors but it also includes the usal household things like soap, detergents etc. Perhaps I should have said housekeeping but not utility bills. We raely eat out and never at western style restaurants.I have no rent to pay but all bills inclusive I spend about 10-12 million a month.
Roy
How much is that in Rp? Dont know Euros at all.[/quote]Mimpi, at the top of the home page of this site, Bert maintains an up to date conversion chart. Our monthly budget is about 15 million, and that includes school tuition for three boys. However, there is no rent in that budget.
Jim&Pat
Hi JimboI am confused a little by your post saying many Indonesians get by on 1 million rupiah a month.How on earth do they manage?Did you mean per head, or as a family, meaning more than one would bring in an income to help .After reading the posts on this topic, i am wondering if the 10 million my wife and i had budgeted for will be enough. I would not have to pay rent, but have the utilities etc.Jim
Roy
While I cannot speak for Jimbo, I can vouch that in my own village, there are many families that get by on 1 million a month. How?Village economics is the short answer. By village economics I mean a non cash economy that can be as much as 80% of the economy in any village. In short, it's a barter, or trade economy where goods and services are traded, but no currency is involved. "How much did you pay for that used motorbike?" The answer could easily be along the lines of "two pigs." Admittedly, Telkom is not going to take a pig for payment on a telephone bill, nor can one hand a duck or chicken over to a station attendant for a full tank of gas, but there are plenty costs of living...like food, shelter, and clothing, which can easily be accommodated within "village economy." One irony here is that while the government increases its efforts to better collect tax revenues, aside from the commerce that is currency related, there is no way to account for "village economics." It's a beautiful thing to see this in action. In Bali, most every compound in every village produces something of economic value and worth.
Jimbo
How on earth do they manage?[/quote]Basically their standard of living is much lower than an average westerner. Roy is correct about village life but not all live in a village and so do not have things to barter with.Rice and vegetables are a standard meal and meat is a luxury but they also get by on a lot less than you or I. A 15-40 w light bulb may be all that is used for electricity for example. Medical is public hospitals where treatment can be poor. An operation may cost a lot and people have been known to die for lack of funds for treatment. Transportation is by foot or bemo which are cheap if you do not use them too much.On the upside family members will almost always help those that do not. A salary for a driver for example is around 700,000 per month where I live. A pembantu around 500,000, a gardener around 600,000.Simple living will be OK for your amount but I would imagine the average expat family would spend twice that amount. This would not be a bother for those that are working for an international company but those on a fixed income such as a pension will try and eke this out.I have budgeted for 15,000,000 a month increasing by 8-10% per annum for my retirement fund. This after buying all capital items like a house, car, furniture etc.Hope all this helps and welcome.If you want A/C's, have school fees and medical insurance to pay for then 10million may not be enough
Roy
Roy is correct about village life but not all live in a village and so do not have things to barter with.[/quote]Are we talking about Makassar, Toraja, or Bali? I think the question was about Bali, and certainly the majority of Balinese continue to live in villages, and in their family compounds. :wink:
FreoGirl
Rice and vegetables are a standard meal [/quote]What I've observed is that for many on an income 1 million per month or less, rice is a luxury, and sweet potatoes are the main carbohydrate in the meals. Some of my extended family in Lombok certainly don't get to eat rice every day. I have also seen the same in the poorer areas of Bali. Are we talking about Makassar, Toraja, or Bali? I think the question was about Bali[/quote]Actually, Jimbo and Jim&Pat only ever referred to "Indonesians" :wink: . But I agree, even in Denpasar people still live in 'villages' - although often one village abuts the next, and the bater system is alive and well just about everywhere.
Roy
Actually, Jimbo and Jim&Pat only ever referred to "Indonesians" :wink: . But I agree, even in Denpasar people still live in 'villages' - although often one village abuts the next, and the bater system is alive and well just about everywhere.[/quote]As I read Jim and Pat's first post, it is:Hello, my question is:i living in bali with 600/700 euro month ??? including appartament or small house ???[/quote]I agree that Jimbo broadened this to Indonesians in general, but his comment was clearly in response to mine, which was clearly about village life in Bali. This is not to be picky, and is only offered for the sake of accuracy. :wink:
FreoGirl
Well not to split hairs, but it was Luchino (the OP) that asked about living in Bali on 600-700 Euros, Jim&Pat asked about Indonesians living on 1 million. For the sake of accuracy :lol:
Roy
True enough! :lol: But it was Jimbo's comment I was trying to clarify by my post, and thus the question, "Are we talking about Makassar, Toraja, or Bali?" But as you say, not to split hairs! :lol: Cheers!
