SG
[quote=BaliLife]
froggy.. you're a mormon for f*cks sake? geez, i'd admit i liked blowing donkeys before admitting to that :lol:
ct[/quote]
Hell, I needed a laugh after the way this thread has been rolling and you've provided it.
froggy
A donkey show would be more entertaining,you go first. :D
BaliLife
[quote=froggy]Simply put, they love Erie and the boys, [b]and could care less[/b] about you. As far as Robin, [b]I could care less[/b] about her[/quote]
i see this a lot on this forum.. isn't it supposed to be, "[b]I couldn't care less[/b]" rather than "I could care less", or do americans and mormons say it different.. surely if you say, "I could care less", such implies you do have a residual amount of care in the present, that you could potentially lessen?
or have i been saying the bloody wrong thing all these years?
:roll:
ct
mimpimanis
"couldn't care less" is what is said in UK.
You got it right as far as I am concerned.
SG
Americans do say it differently so it makes little sense, but then they can't spell or measure a gallon either so there you go. :)
froggy
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After watching what goes on in roy's life from a lizards eye view, they will always consider him to be an outsider, because he is. The simple word bule denotes a racist overtone?, we have no such word for that here, everyone is just everyone,, so are the Balinese racist to a point? I wonder if they consider Roy the big Negro in the woodshed with the white young daughter...... Of course they would deny it never tell him, but I could see it when they spoke about him......
DCC
This is an Indonesian law and the primary benefactor has most likely been the Gov itself through control and exploitation of natural resources - I'm not sure cultural preservation was tops on the list reasons why the law exists.
Nonetheless, Bali is a small island with a distinct and celebrated culture...it's own set of unique circumstances. They should be heavily factored when considering any change to land ownership laws as should potential impact to other islands.
If a one size fits all approach is the only way then leave the law as is - too much is at stake. On the other hand, how free is freehold if you can't sell it to whomever you want - that's a price suppressor for land values. As for the article, from the gist it sounds like villa complexes will get preferential status - IMO just exactly what is not needed.
BaliLife
Froggy, if someone has lived and integrated in your community for 10 years its impossible to still be looked upon as an outsider. A "person with a different background", yas, but an "outsider", no. It is likely you are looking through the eyes of a certain group of americans who see anybody with a different skin tone than your own as an outsider, regardless of how much a part of society they happen to be.
Ct
Roy
Froggy, you have no idea
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You initiated this rampage from me Froggy with your earlier racist post now removed by Bert. That was most unwise, and it will be like throwing gasoline on a fire if you continue trying to cast dispersions my way. As an Australian would be prone to say, “bugger off.” :evil:
Bert Vierstra
Enough "Vital Reading".
SG
[quote=Roy]Simon, what I am still waiting for, with some bated breath, is an answer to my question:
[quote]What I am unclear about in our discussion is this…are you of the mind that foreigners should be able to own land in Indonesia on the same legal stance as an Indonesian…that meaning with inheritance rights, rights of commercial usage and full rights of transfer? Or do you agree that “ownership” of land by non Indonesians should be limited by duration, use, and ability to profit or transfer?[/quote][/quote]
I'm in favour of allowing foreigners to purchase land providing that there is a thorough overhaul of the property ownership laws and land title and that, in consultation with the communities, a protection process, for example a tribunal and a stringent approval process that all offshore land sales need to go through (right now I'm not sure Indonesia is capable to administering this process in a transparent and above board way) is put in place.
This has to be better than the current slow, but quickly accelerating stripping of land by the multinationals, PMAs and Jakarta based corporations. Raising the NZ link again, it's very similar to the way speculators persuaded the governors of NZ to set aside, at gun point, the provisions of the treaty in the 1860s. The current law is being battered at every level and cracks are forming.
That said, I think it takes a constitutional change to allow any review of the land laws, is that correct.
BaliLife
[quote=Roy]That's OK...I'll still buy you a martini at Nuri's...BUT, I will never agree with you. :|
It is precisely because I am the father of three mixed Balinese/US sons that I am so adamant.
The “end game” of your desire has only one result…the eventual disappearance of the Balinese culture…except of course in your Singapore style theme parks! :shock: :cry:[/quote]
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are your kids indonesian citizens roy? (if too personal please disregard) - just wondering..
my son was born before the dual citizenship law came into effect and my daughter after - so one will be, and one won't be.. at the age of 21 (i think) my daughter will need to choose.. as you can imagine, it's unlikely many people would trade in canadian and australian citizenship for indonesian citizenship (that's a pretty big leap of faith), so they'll both probably end up not being indonesian citizens..
anyhow, i only ask about your kids because if they're not indonesian citizens, that means you (or Eri i should say) can't pass land down to them.. doesn't that bother you?
cheers,
ct
Roy
OK…now that the floor has been swept clean…
[quote]“are your kids indonesian citizens roy? (if too personal please disregard) - just wondering..”[/quote]
Yes, in fact, there were in the first group of mixed marriage kids in Bali to become dual citizens after the law was passed. Their certificates were personally signed and presented by the then Minister of Human Rights in a really nice ceremony for about 35 kids.
What they will choose at majority age is up to them…and in keeping with my own views that the best of parenting means offering your kids the best, and as many choices as possible. I have a pretty good idea what they will each decide, so no, I have no worries about passing on our property. As for that choice being a "leap of faith" for them...I don't see it that way...I see it as obvious. But...that's up to them. Cheers, and sorry for the rant to the most racist person I ever met in Bali...which was something I thought I had gladly left behind, years ago.
froggy
Racist? My comments were the least, Your trying to peg me, I never said those things. He's making crap up folks. And im not mormon,i just attended the church for awhile, dont believe a thing young joseph wrote, great scam though. face it roy, what great things do you do for your village? you make a ton of money off poor people bringing you crap that you just pimp on ebay, most of the time you make them wait outside while you sober up,sometime you dont even see them that day, they wait all day ,some even called ahead and had appointments! traveling from very far away,thats just plain cruel. Your getting old and your wife and the local village will get a payday for putting up with you, this comes not from me but from those that live all around you, you are living an illusion in paradise my friend. If I was the crazy tourist/local, you for sure are the Village idiot and that comes from more than one person in your "TRIBE".............Simply put, they love Erie and the boys, and could care less about you. As far as Robin, I could care less about her, an albetross around my neck, Im so much more happy without her, I see my kids often, and my 13 year old boy is back with me, we have alot of fun....... You are the poisen that the balines people could do without, a true cultrul hero, selling off the things that make bali what it was. Bravo,little man.
