Roy
[quote]“Yes. and just because many people have an affinity to or want to help they should not be put down. Caring for dogs does not preclude someone for caring about other issues.”[/quote]
I entirely agree with that. But the reality is that the Balinese are the ones most often being “put down” because their culturally based attitudes towards dogs varies so significantly from our western attitudes.
Complaining about the Balinese attitudes towards dogs here on this forum is like preaching to the choir. I doubt that very many Balinese spend much time reading this forum, so it might be better to use that time spent here on this topic in actually doing something for the Balinese dogs…like volunteering some time with the NGO’s that specifically address the Bali dog issue, or donating money to those NGO’s. In the states we call this "putting your money where your mouth is." :D
chilli
This government Roy,
anyone interested in giving 2 minuite "hands on" help can sign this petition.
BAWA only need another 119 signatures to reach 1500.
http://bawabali.com/
Kadek
Thanks for the compliment Chilli - and surviving is a good word :shock:
Thanks Roy,
Well I am only 29 years old so my childhood was in the 80's. But I guess you are right, my generation is more informed.
And yes my dad is a Balian and a priest. My granddad was an artist (in the true sense of the word) - a famous one at that during his time. But he is but forgotten now :(
Anyway...
Regards
Kadek
chilli
Agree with Sanurian, we should start a new link especially for children and support groups. Jimbo,, why don’t you do this instead of talking about it.
Roy, I do put my money where my mouth is.
As a family. We donate on a monthly basis to 5 different causes.
(Helen Flavel foundation, medicine without frontiers, World vision and BAWA
http://www.balistreetdogs.org.au/
In AUD dollars, exchange rate of USA $,you can imagine the sums we pay.
We could be in Bali on holiday right now with all the money we give.
Unfortunately from this distance it’s difficult for me to be of help “hands on.”
But I hope to “some day”
I know several Australians who fly to Bali 4 or 5 times per year to bring to the orphanages. Many fund raisers are organised in Perth and Melbourne all for
the purpose of donating for various causes in Bali.
It isn’t the Balinese that I insult Roy. It’s the government.
I will quote from a book entitles NOT HAPPY, JOHN. Margo Kingston,
“Defending our democracy”
“There is no reason to believe that large parts of any population wish to reject learning or those who are learned. People want the best for society and for themselves. The extent
To which a populace falls back on superstition or violence can be traced to the
Ignorance to which their elites have managed to keep them, the ill-treatment they have suffered and the despair into which a combination of ignorance and suffering have driven them.”
Whether im in Australia, Europe, India, my heart is my heart and I cant ignore suffering just because its not in MY country.
Do you mean that I should make sure these things do not happen in Australia but I will close my eyes to it in Bali ? That would make me a hypocrite.
Anyway, it’s a lovely sunny Sunday here, Im off to the beach and I wish you all a enjoyable day..
:)
Roy
I hope you had a great day at the beach Chilli! Selamat to you for all the causes you support, particularly the HFF. Helen is very close to us, and oddly enough, I share the same birthday as her.
We know a number of Australians who do a lot good work here in Bali. We also know a number of Australians who, while their intentions are good, they actually cause more harm…like the group of Australians who organized last year to ban the Melka Resort in Lovina without realizing that most of the animals and dolphins there were rescued animals. Had their misguided efforts for tourists to ban the Melka been successful, there would have been no money to care for the animals, and a whole lot of Balinese would have been without a job! :x As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions! :D
You say,
[quote]“It isn’t the Balinese that I insult Roy. It’s the government.”[/quote]
What government? The central government of Indonesia, or the provincial government of Bali? If it’s the later, then you might keep in mind that the legislature is Balinese…so is the governor, so back to square one, i.e. Balinese culture. :)
chilli
[quote=Roy]Chilli, I hate to say it, but the petition is meaningless.
Another reason this petition is meaningless, is that foreigners have no legal basis to present petitions calling for enactment of legislation by any legislative power within Indonesia.
I’m sorry, but in my opinion that petition is amateurish and a complete waste of time.
.[/quote]
fine, then my only voice is someone like you Roy.
Thorsten
Here are two photos from the work of Kadek's grandfather [B]I Wayan Ayun[/B] taken in the Neka museum.
[ATTACH type="full" alt="Balinese sculpture"]118[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH type="full" alt="Balinese wood carvings"]119[/ATTACH]
Roy
Thanks Thorsen! I replied in detail to your PM. Cheers!
Roy
Chilli, I hate to say it, but the petition is meaningless. First of all, it is addressed “to the Police General, the Government of Indonesia, the Governor of Bali and Minister of Tourism.” None of those entities have the power to create new laws on any level. Laws are enacted by the legislative body, i.e. DPR (Province of Bali) or MPR (Republic of Indonesia).
What is needed is for a member of the MPR, assuming the objective is for a new law covering all of Indonesia, or the Bali Provincial DPR, assuming the law is intended for Bali only, to sponsor a bill. What Janice should be doing is wining and dining and cajoling some members of either the MPR, or DPR, depending on what level she wishes to see legislation passed.
Another reason this petition is meaningless, is that foreigners have no legal basis to present petitions calling for enactment of legislation by any legislative power within Indonesia.
This part of the petition really caught my eye:
“Such events are often also witnessed by tourists who return to their home countries with negative stories of inhumane animal treatment, thereby discouraging family and friends from visiting Bali and, consequently, undermining our important tourism industry.”
Negative effect on Bali tourism? Hard to swallow that when Bali is looking at a record year for 2008. :!:
I’m sorry, but in my opinion that petition is amateurish and a complete waste of time.
Kadek, what was your grandfather’s name? I’d love to track down some of his work. It would seem that he was working during the formative years of the Pita Maha Art Association which is an exciting period in Balinese art.
triggywiggy
When I was last in bali on the way back from the rapids to legian i was bored so i counted dogs i think i counted let me check i wrote it down......................... here we go 558 and i might of missed some lol hope they had famillys
Jesse
The dogs in the street in Bali also alarms the possibility of rabies spread. That why it should be a good call for authorities for these sort of dog problems.
Markit
Exchanging dog food recipes - please don't tell anyone OK?
Our dogs love the cheap boiled makeral (for 15 fish about the same in Rupia 1000s) mashed up with leftover rice twice a day. They seem to do marvellously on it and to be in the peak of health.
Never held much from the grain substitutes that us westerners are sold to give the animals - didn't ever seem right for what is basically a carnivore.
Welcome to the forum
Markit
Gozer
We were feeding our dogs chicken hearts and rice until the vet told us our Amstaff was fat. I denied it at first then gave her a good look and realized she was built like a sausage. Since then we stick primarily to a dry food diet sometimes the maid will slip them some leftover meat despite me telling her not to. I can always tell when she does it because they both get terrible gas that night.
Gozer
50kg... that is one big dog. Our Amstaff weighs about 45. Heavy enough to knock me down when she decides that is what she wants to do. She was super well behaved and almost never barked. One day she started going crazy at kids through the gate. We couldn't figure out the sudden change in attitude. We found out that the neighborhood kids were standing outside our gate throwing dirt and rocks at her. I ended that quick. Told them the next time we caught them f-ing with my dog I would release her and they could deal with the aggression they created. Since then we have had to carefully introduce her to children. I think she is almost over it but I still don't trust her 100% with kids.
I realize there is no real point to that story but it came to mind so I shared it.
ferdie
Amstaff dog, love their personality, very cheerful dog with that stupid look when they stare at you :highly_amused:
How old is you dog Gozer? I love pure breed dogs but I don't know whether they can cope with the weather
My niece has been nagging me asking for Huskies but I didn't have the heart to let it suffer because of the tropical climate
Markit
ferdie wrote
My niece has been nagging me asking for Huskies but I didn't have the heart to let it suffer because of the tropical climate
Please slap your niece from me and after she's picked herself up ask her how she thinks a dog that is bred for Arctic climates could ever be anything more than totally miserable in the tropics.
This is taking the whole "I'm so rich I can afford to feed a fecking great dog" kind of machismo way too far for me.
But what do I know?
VicariousBob
I just adopted a Bali Dog about a week ago. She's all white, and looks and has the build of a small german shepard. I've owned labs and golden retrievers in the past and pride myself of being a good trainer, so here's a bit of insight 1 week in. She's got an amazingly calm demeanor for a 9 month old puppy. She doesn't learn quickly, but does learn. She loves to ride on my motorbike. I'm still working with her on basic commands like sit and stay and come - although she doesn't learn these easily, I haven't really worked too hard with her - I'm still trying to find a dog treat that she loves, and have been focused on bonding with her. Although she tends to stray, she always comes back and has an amazing sense of "home" and where I am at any time. She's a bit like a cat with her independence, but I think with some extra care in training, she'll learn just fine. She hates water (ocean) and absolutely loves people. She's very low maintenance when on a leash, she just lays around and mostly sleeps. I've experimented with different foods, and found a good dry dog food with either some rice mixed in with warm water or some cooked egg mixed in makes her eat like crazy - she's putting on weight, and is a very happy and loved dog! :-))
ferdie
That is the side effects of watching cartoons and the experience of playing with one of my friends huskies in Jakarta Markit.
My friend kept them in an air conditioned room and take them for a walk at night to make it easier for them, after I explain it to my niece, she reluctantly gave up the idea:applause:
Huskies are wonderful dogs and I could understand why people wants them as a pet, sometimes they just didn't think of the consequences to the dog:miserable:
I even met one local Balinese had an all white husky here, just kept one in the Semabaung area near Gianyar in an outdoor cage.
his worker told me that the guy already lost one husky because the dog got ran over when he was parking the car backwards to the garage:beaten:
songgon_lea
Hi Gozer,
I miss read your post the 1st time and thought you were accusing the vet looking like a sausage and the maid and dog had gas.....sorry but it did make me laugh.
Our German sheppard was 5 this Januaay, he was a rescue 2 years ago and was in a terrible state only 28Kg didn't understand English commands and in general very unhappy ill treated dog.
After many months with alot of patience and very care full diet including calcium suppliments and medications he is now a big 50Kg very very strong but incredibly well behaved.
Been on a diet of dried food but will eat anything given the chance....On one occasion he did steal all my dried chillies.........not just gas for the night but for a whole week. couldn't blame the maid for the smell as we dont have one.
Gozer
She is a year and a half old. All of the (pit bull) breeds have issues with heat and cold so you have to watch them but we haven't had much trouble other than her gas and weight. I am a real lover of the breed. I have never owned such a playful and affectionate dog until I started getting (pits). The tough thing here is finding one that wasn't bred for aggression. We had to visit a couple breeders before we found one that was breeding pets not fighters. Even there he was trying to get me to buy a bully because "very popular sir". I wanted an American pitbull terrier but the mom was a bit mean and I just didn't want to deal with that so I went with the Amstaff. Other than the kids she is wonderful. And she has the neighborhood afraid of my house which is a win. It has gotten much quieter on my street since we got her even the bakso guy has changed his route to avoid her.
