milan
I know Bali is paradise as the saying goes, but are there many pet-peeves you have or encounter in your time living there or even visiting there?
I have plenty here in Milan. What came to mind at once is the moment I arrived back here after having lived in other countries is:
1. The supermarket. They charge the bags and not at all in the habit of helping with your shopping even on putting an item in your bag. No, they won't touch it and refuse to pass your change from hand to hand but putting in its proper tray to exchange them.
We enjoyed living in UK, as Tesco supermarket are just so helpful and friendly.
2. The people are rigid in that if you don't say: "buon giorno" first, they'd hesitate to say it first.
3. Can't place advertising in supermarkets.
4. Ordering take-out, they charge it extra.
5. The more you show you let's say a product or restaurant or anything, the more they make it difficult for you to get and not the other way round like any other country where if shown this, the more generous and friendly they become.
I have many more but these are just a few samples.
gtrken
Hmmm...
Pet peeves in my Country??
My pet peeve is I am still IN my country and not in Bali. :(
Bali may not be Paradise but it sure as heck beats the Hell they call Australia where every body spends more time talking about their big car, big house, new clothes, big wage packet..
You get the picture. :(
Cheers
Ken
milan
Ken writes:
[quote]My pet peeve is I am still IN my country and not in Bali.
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That's funny coz that's the biggest pet-peeve of my husband that he is still in Italy lol.
Kabim, kita so curiga yang itu ngana dari pengetahuan yg taliat di jawaban2 dari pos ini. Jang kase tau do e yg kita lei dari itu forum. En kiapa do e ngana capat2 lari?
Sudah jo skali2 atau sering dang kasini ne?
Thanks Kabim.
KaBIm
[quote=milan]I know Bali is paradise as the saying goes, but are there many pet-peeves you have or encounter in your time living there or even visiting there?
I have plenty here in Milan. What came to mind at once is the moment I arrived back here after having lived in other countries is:
1. The supermarket. They charge the bags and not at all in the habit of helping with your shopping even on putting an item in your bag. No, they won't touch it and refuse to pass your change from hand to hand but putting in its proper tray to exchange them.
We enjoyed living in UK, as Tesco supermarket are just so helpful and friendly.
2. The people are rigid in that if you don't say: "buon giorno" first, they'd hesitate to say it first.
3. Can't place advertising in supermarkets.
4. Ordering take-out, they charge it extra.
5. The more you show you let's say a product or restaurant or anything, the more they make it difficult for you to get and not the other way round like any other country where if shown this, the more generous and friendly they become.
I have many more but these are just a few samples.[/quote]
Hi there :D
Sekarang kita so sampe di tampa forum, maar nyanda mo tinggal lama :( Ta mo capat pulang :wink:
Nice to browse though.
Sydjapan
Hi....when I first read this post, my immediate reaction was that "pet-peaves" are not really connected (IMO) to where someone is per se, but rather to where someone is in their particular, personal place in life. Therefore, perhaps more of a reflection of the person, and not the place they are living/staying in? (Gosh - sounds so heavy...)
I live in Japan and my pet peaves come and go like the wind. (I don't consider myself flaky...) Living in another culture poses serious challenges. I'd probably go so far as to say that many people likely develop some kind of "love/hate" relationship with the place they live. I've always believed that when the negative side grows bigger and outweighes the positive side, than it is perhaps time to move on? (Or move back...?) I've gently suggested this to a few expats, over the years - with regards to Japan. I would suggest that pet peaves are connected to culture shock - and not necessarily the short-term kind, but the long-term stages that people go through, living in another culture and language.
Ok - so my current and admittedly long-term pet peave for Japan is drivers and driving. On the surface, MANY people would probably say the same about wherever they are from and the horror stories are probably endless. We know how crazy and chaotic driving and roads can be in Bali. My issue with driving in Japan is exactly connected to that. In Bali, it seems to me (ah...still the rose-colored glasses of a "tourist"..???) that though there are likely (and I've seen some) rude and carzy drivers, I tend to excuse some of it as people are trying "to live". Life can be chaotic in Bali and people struggle to live their lives and get by in so many ways. In Japan people tend to simply be rude when driving. It is chilling sometimes the expressionless "I don't know you/you aren't connected to me/I couldn't care a single iota about you" stare people give as they do something to advance themselves 5 meters ahead or to save themselves 30 seconds of time. Does it make it any better in Bali when someone cuts you off but there is a toot and a smile or a wave or a nod? Maybe, maybe not? For me, all the difference in the world...and maybe it's time for me to move on?
Oh ya...what I REALLY can't stand in Japan is the multiple CD players in the grocery stores that all blast different music or sales pitches at the same time... :)
bolli
milan
Thanks for correcting that, Bolli.
milan
Sydjapan writes:
[quote]my immediate reaction was that "pet-peaves" are not really connected (IMO) to where someone is per se, but rather to where someone is in their particular, personal place in life. Therefore, perhaps more of a reflection of the person, and not the place they are living/staying in? (Gosh - sounds so heavy...)
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You are absolutely right. But instead of saying "annoying" things; for not offending anybody here given that I'm living in Italy, I call them pet-peaves (I spelled wrongly, sorry) just to soften it a bit.
But you got it right. I meant unfavourable things you find in Bali or in any other country wherever you happen to be living. Those unnoticed ones but faced everyday becomes such a pain.
I find it fascinating reading people's personal experience on their actual daily life rather than taken from the typical stereotype image of those places or countries. All this due to my discovery from personal experiences/cultural shock in each country that I've lived that they turn out to be so far removed from the reputed image you hear about.
For example: I love it whenever hubby and I are abroad, everytime we say we're from Italy, they'd say: " Oh, I love the people as they are so warm and I love the country, etc.
Hubby and I would just respond to them very kindly as well but then we'd say to each other: "try to live in it". I never knew that I'd find the people here (don't mean to offend but it's the truth that I have to say and just tired of pretending) are the most touchy, nationalistic, negative, superficial, [b]cold[/b], envious, rigid people I've ever met. You see, it's totally the opposite of the image, right? ( Sure there are exceptions and thank God for that but I mean here as the majority of people I met and know). I live day to day life so I know. Hubby can't wait to get away from here even though now he's become intolerable to these things while I've blended even though it's against my nature to behave that way, but hey...you have to adapt. So, that's one example.
In Indonesia I would say the slowness of things. The traffic. The chaos of all those kaki-limas that you find everywhere regardless which area.
To go to a Bank or a hairdresser 500 meters from my brother's house on my visit last in Jkt (2006), they insisted that the driver should take me by car which I did because for them to walk is a no-no.
So there.
twiceaman
Pet peeve of the UK is the media and the fact most of the population are just way too negative.
Markit
Now that just goes to show you! I've always thought the English are way too positive about everything, if you consider what a mess the country has been in for the last 30 odd years that it's been hovering on the brink of catastrophy.
I love it here - just can't stand the food :x
Maybe one man's peeve is another man's pet. :lol:
Jimbo
[quote]I love it here - just can't stand the food [/quote]
Thats because we import it all from America :D
milan
Coming from Italy and living in England for a year in 2005 - 2006, my husband and I loved it though.
But how we did suffer a bit... :( Didn't like the food, the coffee, the ice-creams, the way of life, etc). We ended up eating a lot of the delicious chocolates (flakes, maltesers, aeros which you can't find here in Italy). Loved the fruit pie of Sainsbury and its roasted chicken. They're really delicious! But hardly any Restaurants we like. None, even the Italian ones.
But very nice,helpful and gentle people and personally, I love shopping there.
Jimbo
Where I am at the moment we have many Italian staff as the group is part owned by ENI. The caterers are Italian and the food is terrible. The coffee is all in little packets which you put into a machine. Yes you can have esspresso and cappuchino put frankly it is not a patch on Indonesian coffee. I am not a pasta lover so I cannot comment there but in general the food is tasteless. I suppose I am spoilt by eating a lot of good Indonesian food
I was only part joking when I talked about American fast food which has taken over from what was in my youth traditional British food. I well remember my mothers cooking which was always from fresh food compared with the packaged pap served nowadays.
As for restaurants there are more 3 star michelin guide restaurants in the UK than there is in Italy. You must have been going to the wrong places :D :D
milan
Jimbo writes:
[quote]Where I am at the moment we have many Italian staff as the group is part owned by ENI. The caterers are Italian and the food is terrible. The coffee is all in little packets which you put into a machine. Yes you can have esspresso and cappuchino put frankly it is not a patch on Indonesian coffee. I am not a pasta lover so I cannot comment there but in general the food is tasteless. I suppose I am spoilt by eating a lot of good Indonesian food
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Maybe with the kind of pay that you get which is something like Pound Sterlings 600 a day,
at least you all could do without is "good Italian food"... :lol: :lol:
But seriously, not in Saudi Arabia. The Belleli Company there had top-rate Italian food with Indian and Bangladesh cooks. How about that? But those who worked for them were housed in barracks... I went for Womens Day by these Italian workers wives invitation and the food was really great.
So, take your pick, Jimbo.
The food was awful in England unless you go to the 5-star Hotel's French Restaurants then it was superb. Since we were living in Humberside which by the way was mostly sunny at that time as Manchester, your city, was always drizzling or raining - we went to its Golf Country Club and their French Restaurant for special occasion and yes, that was good.
I must add that in Leeds, we stopped to have lunch at this Italian Restaurant you refer as Michelin 3, yes, that was quite okay.
Then had dinner at an Italian Restaurant in Leicester Square, London. It was tasteless.
Sorry, Jimbo. You should come to Italy and try the food here then you'll know what I'm talking about... :)
Sumatra
Don't take it wrong alot of food in the USA tastes really good and looks good but is it good for you??? that's the question you want to ask yourself before you put it in your mouth.
They're heavily preserved with chemicals. You can find a restaurant anywhere you go here but you have to be careful about food quality.
Most of the people in the states are very polite, for example when they pass by you, they usually say excuse me, when you're waiting in line they stay in line not like most Asian countries, etc...
One thing that is very annoying is when you're driving the speed limit people fly by giving you a dirty look.
I notice, people around here have a very passive attitude and very accepting. The same thing when you raise your children, i found that parents don't have the right to discipline their children the way they see fit. The result is a lot of children have too much freedom and end up using it destructively.
Liz
mimpimanis
[quote]O*.
This is a pic of my dog with my pool and the security guard, sorry I didn’t want anyone to recognise my house. But I can email a pic of you like.
Written from my iphone. wiifiiiiifffiiii[/quote]
:lol: :lol: :lol:
mimpimanis
Milan, I found Chillis comment funny, especially considering my recent response to you posting a photo of your house.
You claim your right to post things like [quote]are the most touchy, nationalistic, negative, superficial, cold, envious, rigid people I've ever met. You see, it's totally the opposite of the image, right?
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Well I claim my right to laugh at someone elses comments.
And finally
[quote]I guess being an Asian woman, I'm good as long as I comply and not have my own opinion[/quote]
I am pretty sure it is for the very reason that you are a woman and Indonesian, that so many more of your posts arent shot down in flames.
Bert Vierstra
People please don't loose yourself in personal directed stuff.
Play the ball, not the (wo)man...
chilli
[quote=milan]
For example: I love it whenever hubby and I are abroad, everytime we say we're from Italy, they'd say: " Oh, I love the people as they are so warm and I love the country, etc.
Hubby and I would just respond to them very kindly as well but then we'd say to each other: "try to live in it". I never knew that I'd find the people here (don't mean to offend but it's the truth that I have to say and just tired of pretending) are the most touchy, nationalistic, negative, superficial, [b]cold[/b], envious, rigid people I've ever met. You see, it's totally the opposite of the image, right?
So there.[/quote]
My pet peeve is when a single person comes on an international forum to slander, misrepresent and speak critically of the entire people of my country, (could be labelled a two faced racist or just plain malicious).
It is childish, demeaning, personal gossip,
To assume that such myopic attitudes would be of any
interest on an international forum is of the highest insult.
A vile recompense on your behalf milan,
Grow Milan, you are not representative of your culture, to me Indonesia – Italy have deep and magnificent cultures to be celebrated,
You, are just a germ in the cosmic soup. (my opinion, nothing else).
[size=7] [b] O*.[/b][/size]
This is a pic of my dog with my pool and the security guard, sorry I didn’t want anyone to recognise my house. But I can email a pic of you like.
Written from my iphone. wiifiiiiifffiiii
milan
[quote]My pet peeve is when a single person comes on an international forum to slander, misrepresent and speak critically of the entire people of my country, (could be labelled a two faced racist or just plain malicious).
It is childish, demeaning, personal gossip,
To assume that such myopic attitudes would be of any
interest on an international forum is of the highest insult.
A vile recompense on your behalf milan,
Grow Milan, you are not representative of your culture, to me Indonesia – Italy have deep and magnificent cultures to be celebrated,
You, are just a germ in the cosmic soup. (my opinion, nothing else).
O*.
This is a pic of my dog with my pool and the security guard, sorry I didn’t want anyone to recognise my house. But I can email a pic of you like.
Written from my iphone. wiifiiiiifffiiii
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[b] HA!! Need I say more? I JUST KNEW IT THAT IT WOULDN'T TAKE TOO LONG BEFORE YOU CREEP BACK IN HERE AND ATTACK ME. IT IS MY RIGHT TO EXPRESS WHAT I HAVE EXPERIENCED HERE. SO YOU BETTER ACT AS SOMEONE WHO COMES FROM A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY AND THAT IS TO ALLOW ME EXPRESS WHAT I THINK AND NOT TO SUPPRESS IT. IT IS MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND NOBODY COULD ERASE THAT FROM ME. SO PLEASE, TELL YOURSELF TO GROW UP AND STOP INTERRUPTING MY EASY AND LEISURELY MANNER IN PARTICIPATING ON THIS FORUM.[/b]
And mimpimanis, now I know where you stand. I've always been very kind and respectful to you, but I've suspected that it hasn't been much reciprocated. But that's okay. My conscience is clear because my motive is good so hey, that's your prerogative to show your true colour at last. I guess being an Asian woman, I'm good as long as I comply and not have my own opinion. I got it and I'm relieved to have the confirmation of my suspicion strewn here on this Forum. :roll:
