Jimbo
Oh God. My head hurts with all these Pseudo religious babblings. :-)
Dasha
Got news for you truth sayer (not so truthful) - No Jesus did say "though shall not kill" ....that was Moses in the OT in Exodus verses 1 to 17 (ten commandments) - JC came along 1600 years later and said "I am the way and the truth and the light - nobody comes to the father but by me" to quote John 14:6By the way we were born / designed with canine teeth - very different from horses and cows that eat grass. Don't get confused when it comes to the big fella.Nice stat on the yellow Australia, corruption wise, I'd like to think it was true, one would tend ta think that John Howard has done some good with this place with a rise from 11 in 1997 to 9 in 2006. On the other hand it could just mean that the rest of the world is slipping in it's page ranking based on the statistics.. According the way they gather this info.
Kadek
[b]Re: RE: Bali, a hyperreality? The island that is not.[/b]Do you think the animal being slaughtered would agree that there is no violent intent? [/quote]Hey what about all those plants (the carrots, the potatoes, the lentils, the wheat grass, etc, etc, etc)!!! :cry: They are also living and breathing parts of our world!!! Otherwise how can they grow, multiply and produce all those cute little sprouts and seedlings, pretty flowers for mating, bear fruits and, and...They are all too pretty and too fragile to be savagely unearthed from the grounds, ripped out of their pretty branches and served as vegetable soups and salads!Hmm Bert, am I experiencing one of those hyper-reality moments now? Or maybe I am in total denial - total shock to my system all these postings in the last couple of weeks. After having to face a confronting suggestion that I may be part of a "circus" performances that amuses tourists, then having to deal with the possibility of being one of the many people still lagging behind in evolution and now I must also face the possibility of having been a "violent animal killer"!!! The reality doesn't sounds so great. So I might just keep my head in the sand and work on creating a super fantasy of a perfect world! Oh by the way, do I really need to adopt the Ozzy, Western, Modern??? way of getting drunk when you are depressed culture or is there a better way? :?: Waiting for a miracleKadek
Dasha
Sorry I could it help it folks.The offer was too tempting.Mr. Chris Owen ...distinguished gent/superior bloke, owner of the world renowned Railway Club Hotel in Port Melbourne is a devout piss head / chef and great lover of AFL footy is a devout four and twenty pie eater (and his wife and family as well). It is from him I learned about the introduction of tucking into a 1000gram rib eye, plate of fat chips washed down with several / as many as I can get down the old hatch, large 370ml pots of VB in the ancient colonial Christian Australian culture brought to us way back in the 1800s from good old pommy land. He is also a much respected and well educated gent ( Moorabbin Tech 4th form high jump champion) and would be happy to talk to anyone about Fraser Gerhic's form (St Kilda full forward - his AFL fave team) and how it relates to the culture of Bali. Cos I reckon this guy has more of a clue than our dear old Truth Sayer.Sorry I couldn't help it.
Bert Vierstra
After having to face a confronting suggestion that I may be part of a "circus" performances that amuses tourists, then having to deal with the possibility of being one of the many people still lagging behind in evolution and now I must also face the possibility of having been a "violent animal killer"!!! [/quote]I hope Thorsten knows ;)You seemed rather innocent to me, but hee, nice looks can be deceiving...
Bert Vierstra
Anyone else cares to comment on hyperreality and Bali ?
matahari
Truthsayer :?: I`m allergic to people like you, that would like to enforce "your" way of living life onto others. and also there always tend to be countless of rules upon rules that has to be followed for one to become a "good" person. Do you think the animal being slaughtered would agree that there is no violent intent? [/quote] Perhaps not, but to inflict some non meat eating society in Bali would not give a good result for the people.Are you a vegetarian or a vegan?? You better be a vegan when talking so big about not killing animals. Another question. Do you think as a Balinese with an average salary around 300k Rp it would be easy to live a healthy life as a vegan or vegetarian? Are you the "savior" that will come to Bali and fix this???
froggy
Hey, I liked the corruption chart, it looks like the U.S has paid its way to be off of it again !!
Thorsten
I don't know if I understand the termination [i]hyperreality[/i], to say the truth (cough, cough) I've never heard about it before.When I interpret [i]hyperreality[/i] as an exaggeration or idealisation of the reality - of the facts, then in many times it will cause disillusion and frustration, definitely the mayor problem of lot's of [i]like-to-be-expats[/i], often people who are creating a view of Bali out of their dreams by ignoring the plain facts or sometimes misinterpreting the signs around them.Extremes are on one hand people who are becoming cultural and/ or religious freaks, these sort of people who are digging so deep, that after a while they think to teach the locals their own culture and religion; at the other hand there are expats who are preferably under other expats avoiding contact to locals whenever possible, these sort of people who are always and everywhere complaining about all and everything, joking about incapable locals, telling you that here and there everything was better.The most tragic sort are the dreamers, people who are blinded by the (almost) always smiling faces, people who drop every common sense and create an incredible naivety, they have a paradise in their mind and refuse to realise given realities, they will only know what [b]was[/b] going on when they've already fallen on their asses, then they will feel betrayed and flee after the first disappointment, blaming the locals for their own failure.Sorry, but when I have to read here that somebody was on Bali for three days to decide if he/she will move over or not, then I'm a kind of lost, frankly this cannot work and will not work!Best regardsThorsten
rakini
[b]Re: RE: Bali, a hyperreality? The island that is not.[/b]Certainly the problems in Bali don't stem from meat eating alone, but karmically speaking, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. This is the law of karma. [/quote][/quote]My teacher, who has lived and breathed Hindu culture for more than 40 years, teaches that it is not so much what we put into our mouths that defiles us, as that which comes out of our mouths - ie what we say shows more about our spirituality than what we eat does!BTW I am a vegetarian (not vegan), but I would never think to impose my choices on others.
orang gila
[b]Re: RE: Bali, a hyperreality? The island that is not.[/b]of coming back to Bali to start a small educational program to teach the principles of bakti-yoga and vegetarianism [/quote]I can't see the Balinese converting to vegetarianism, as Babi Guling is the favourite dish, but one benefit if the population was converted would be peace and quiet for those few days before every ceremony. The squeals of the pigs at those times drives us crazy.
ryyannon
[b]Re: RE: Bali, a hyperreality? The island that is not.[/b]Oh yeah, shame on these pseudo-modern Balinese, finally somebody got the key!Lets pull down all these decadent palaces, remove the asphalt from the streets, switch off all the lights, burning down all this crap for tourists and also the "cafes" for the locals, let them get back to the basics - meditating in front of a grass shack, chanting, chewing roots![/quote]Sounds good to me!Where do I sign up?
BaliLife
it's the same in many places that are perceived to be paradise by westeners i guess .. look at jamaica.. i think maybe 90% of westeners only perceive it to be paradise because of the relative buying power they have there.. so yes of course to them it's paradise - but for the locals... it's a different story..sometimes we (my family) talk about this perception of life.. no doubt the absence of education for children is an atrocity.. but sometimes i like to take a look around us.. when i'm in bali, people fascinate me more than places.. it seems like balinese smile more than many... i think that says something.. i think the fact that balinese can be so welcoming in spite of a pretty trajic history is quite remarkable..just my thoughtsct
Thorsten
Sounds good to me!Where do I sign up?[/quote][b]here:[/b][url]http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/Balibacktotheroots[/url] :wink:
ryyannon
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