spicyayam
I can't imagine this would be good for tourism.BaliPost.com reports that plans are afoot to triple the[I] Visa-on-Arrival (VOA) [/I]cost from the current Rp. 500,000 to Rp. 1.5 million.News of these plans has precipitated vociferous opposition from many tourism leaders in Bali, complaining the visa fee hike plan is inappropriate when tourism is only starting to revive.The chairman of the [I]Bali Tourism Board (Gabungan Industri Pariwisata-GIPI),[/I] Ida Bagus Agung Partha Adnyana (Gus Agung), said that his organization and many associated stakeholders highly object to the plan to increase to [I]VOA fee. [/I]Gus Agung pointed out that since the reintroduction of the [I]VOA[/I] for a restricted number of countries, foreign tourist arrivals to Bali have increased dramatically, now averaging some 2,500 travelers each day.Gus Agung cautioned that plans to increase the [I]VOA fee[/I] could boomerang current efforts to rebuild Bali's tourism economy after two devastating years of the global pandemic. Adding: "We (GIPI) and ten stakeholder organizations object to plans to triple the cost of the VOA." [I]The Bali Tourism Board chairman's [/I]comments were made during a discussion of[I] "Coming Back to Bali - Collaborative Action for Bali International Traffic Rebound 2022" [/I]held in Nusa Dua on Thursday, 14 April 2022. [/QUOTE][URL unfurl="true"]https://www.balidiscovery.com/plans-to-triple-voa-cost-to-rp-1-5-mn/[/URL]
Balifrog
One wonders what is the thought behind such ideas ?Limit the use of them as they are a bit abused, and as the renewal process caused a lot of work for the Immigration Dept ?
Markit
Since Bali hasn't brought in much in the way of taxes for the gov in the last 2 years and the general tax base here is negligible AND the gov has paid out a good wadge (technical term) of dosh to support/vaccinate/help lots of the 300 million locals I suspect they're trying to get some of it back in. When you look at the rampant inflation going on in the rest of the world this is the only real price rises I've seen here - so far! (excepting pool chlorine and fish food - both imported)And it aint law yet either.
britoo
Since Bali hasn't brought in much in the way of taxes for the gov in the last 2 years and the general tax base here is negligible AND the gov has paid out a good wadge (technical term) of dosh to support/vaccinate/help lots of the 300 million locals I suspect they're trying to get some of it back in. When you look at the rampant inflation going on in the rest of the world this is the only real price rises I've seen here - so far! (excepting pool chlorine and fish food - both imported)And it aint law yet either.[/QUOTE]I recall seeing an article on this a while back and I got the impression they were being quite smart - squeezing the agents out by romoving the need for extensions - whilst using the agent's fee structure to determine the market rate for the service.So for the old VOA which is normally used by folks renewing and staying 2 months (OK 60 days!) its 500k on arrival + tyypically 1Jt to use an agent to extend so about same same for the new 60 day VOA but no cake for the agent any more. The self service crew do get screwed here though.Likewise the proposal for the social visa is to charge 6Jt for a straight trhough 180 days rather than the current ~3Jt agent + 1Jt fees + 4 time 1Jt renewal (by agent) = 8Jt. Again no cake for the agents here but self service folks get screwed a bit but save loads of time.So it all depends really on if they bring back the visa waiver for folks that just want the 1 - 2 week holiday. If not then sure, Bali is not looking like an attractive vacation spot.All in all I'd call this a win . . . . unless you are a visa agent.I think this was the proposal but things may of course have changed.[URL unfurl="true"]https://indonesiaexpat.id/news/new-visa-pricing-announced-more-details-expected-in-april/[/URL]
AuroraB
In addition to the US$100 or so for VOA it is required with pre-departure RT-PCR travelling to Indonesia. These tests cost up to US$300 in parts of Europe as only rapid/express RT-PCR test clinics near/at airports can get this done within the tight 48 hours as required by Indonesia. These policies will surely help slowing down tourism recovery... On the other hand one minister wanted to focus on "quality" tourists, so this might be part of the plan...[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/indonesia-to-focus-on-quality-tourists-wants-to-ban-backpackers-from-bali.html[/URL]
Markit
If it keeps the bogans and cheapsters out then all to the good. I think Bali and tourism in general would benefit from a more high class customer base. I''d much rather see 4 people spending $2500 each than 10 spending $1000.
harryopal
If it keeps the bogans and cheapsters out then all to the good. I think Bali and tourism in general would benefit from a more high class customer base. I''d much rather see 4 people spending $2500 each than 10 spending $1000.[/QUOTE]I wonder if any kind of survey has been made to work out how many small businesses including kos and cheap accommodation rely on the ten people spending $1000? Spending a lot of money does not guarantee the bigger spenders are not bogans. Take the many professional footballers who head off on overseas jaunts and delight in raucous drunken behaviour.
Markit
I wonder if any kind of survey has been made to work out how many small businesses including kos and cheap accommodation rely on the ten people spending $1000? Spending a lot of money does not guarantee the bigger spenders are not bogans. Take the many professional footballers who head off on overseas jaunts and delight in raucous drunken behaviour.[/QUOTE]However many of the Balinese shops/warung/kos'/small businesses there are that depend on "cheap tourism" now is the golden opportunity IMHO to break that dependency since most of the aforementioned have been without customers and doing something else to survive for at least 2 years and probably longer. If they are allowed or encouraged to climb right back onto that bandwagon then we've learned nothing.
PERtoDPS
If it keeps the bogans and cheapsters out then all to the good. I think Bali and tourism in general would benefit from a more high class customer base. I''d much rather see 4 people spending $2500 each than 10 spending $1000.[/QUOTE]It's Bali though! Plenty of people like me go there because it's so cheap, last time I rolled in to Bali I had $25,000 AUD (for an estimated 6 months stay that turned in to closer than 18 due to covid) in my account, more than tripled it with crypto and the majority it of it ended up in the Indonesian economy. If they want to 3x the price ok, but then Thailand and Vietnam go on the menu instead. Booking my Indo mrs on a flight to either is pretty simple and meet up there.A lot of things are second rate there and work better in the west let's not forget about that like we seem to so conveniently to justify the cheaper life in Bali. Like what? Roads, Public Transport, food hygiene and medical just to name a few. I'm not anti Bali but it's lacking in a lot of departments charging top $ isn't justified.Watching Damien's youtube ( [MEDIA=youtube]iqWCMSBAomU:1[/MEDIA] ) it's pretty clear I'm not that only one thinking that. Open border but Denpasar airport is a ghost town basically. We only went there because it was so cheap, if it gets to western prices I'd much rather go back to USA or Europe to be honest. Guessing that probably isn't the general expat opinion on this forum but that is mine.
Markit
If you look at the examples of Fiji and the Seychelles you can see it's possible to have a more expensive form of tourism that protects the environment, culture and people from the storm of mass tourism. The mistake many make is to say Indonesia (Bali), Thailand, Burma, Cambodia, etc (east Asia) are basically all the same and it's only a matter of price which one you choose. I suggest that if your measure is set so low as to include only beaches, beer, food, massages and girls then you've missed the point of Bali anyway so please choose any of those others and don't let the door hit you in the ass as you're leaving. I guess this standard is what motivates many, if not most of the visitors that stay in and around Denpasar but if you're interested in culture, music, unique traditions and some of the friendliest people on the planet then it may be worth the extra visa costs to make it a place without the traffic gridlock, drunken fools (present company excepted), dirt, trash and water problems and exclude the bogans. Now seems like the best time to do just that as Bali has had 2 years of no tourist and they've had to do different things with the people here. Do we want to lose that opportunity and have it all back again? Not this boy.Have a look at Fiji and the Seychelles.
Balifrog
Have a look at Fiji and the Seychelles[/QUOTE]Add Tahiti, St Martin, St Barthelemy to that.Sadly all way above my pensioner budget
mugwump
Since Bali hasn't brought in much in the way of taxes for the gov in the last 2 years and the general tax base here is negligible AND the gov has paid out a good wadge (technical term) of dosh to support/vaccinate/help lots of the 300 million locals I suspect they're trying to get some of it back in. When you look at the rampant inflation going on in the rest of the world this is the only real price rises I've seen here - so far! (excepting pool chlorine and fish food - both imported)And it aint law yet either.[/QUOTE]Just wait till you see the wonderful package in store for retired expats! We aren't going to escape our share of the contributions.Currently no kitas are being issued while the expansive imaginations in Jakarta are pondering over just how much it will be.
Markit
Add Tahiti, St Martin, St Barthelemy to that.Sadly all way above my pensioner budget[/QUOTE]Luckily we're already here so we just need to make it like we want it...
matsaleh
Just wait till you see the wonderful package in store for retired expats! We aren't going to escape our share of the contributions.Currently no kitas are being issued while the expansive imaginations in Jakarta are pondering over just how much it will be.[/QUOTE]Ah, yes, the new "2nd Home Visa/Permit" but not only for retirees. Will be interesting to see the requirements for this one when the new regulations are [I]finally [/I]issued.
matsaleh
Bali Governor confirms the rumoured increase to the VOA tariff is unfounded.From Detik.com (Google translate)[SIZE=5][B]Hoax VOA Rates RiseThese Are Visa Rates, Stay Permits and Re-Entry Permits[/B][/SIZE][B]Jakarta[/B] -There are changes in visa rates , visa permits and re-entry permits for those who want to visit Indonesia. Meanwhile, the Visa on Arrival (VoA) rate remains the same. Previously, there were rumors circulating about the increase in VoA for tourists visiting Indonesia. Had made a number of Bali tourism actors nervous, this issue is not true.This was confirmed by the Governor of Bali, I Wayan Koster in a written statement. The emergence of this issue stems from a WhatsApp message circulating among Bali tourism players who say the VOA rate has increased to Rp 1.5 million per person."After I checked with the Minister of Law and Human Rights, it turned out to be not true. It's fake news, don't believe it," said Wayan Koster in his written statement quoted by detikBali, Sunday (17/4/2022).According to the Minister of Finance Regulation No. 9/PML.02/2022 which takes effect from April 16, 2022, [B]the Visit Visa on Arrival (VOA) is the same as before, which is IDR 500,000 per person.[/B]Through the account of the Directorate General of Immigration, the immigration office releases the latest rates for visas and residence permits as well as re-entry permits. While Visa on Arrival is said to be the same as before.Here are the latest rates for Visa and Stay Permit and Re-Entry Permit:[B][SIZE=4]Visa[/SIZE][/B]1. A one-time visit visa for a maximum of 60 days: IDR 2,000,0002. A one-time visit visa for a maximum of 180 days: IDR 6,000,0003. A one-time visit visa for a tour of a maximum of 60 days: IDR 1,500,0004 A visit visa for several trips per year: IDR 3,000,0005. Limited stay visa not for work for a second home: IDR 3,000,0006. Limited stay visa not for working for a second home IDR 3,000,0007. Visa limited stay not in the context of working for a second home for followers (husband/wife/children/parents): IDR 2,000,000[B][SIZE=4]Visit stay permit[/SIZE][/B]1. Visit stay permit valid for a maximum of 60 days: IDR 2,000,0002. Visit permit valid for a maximum of 180 days for Pre-investment: IDR 6,000,000[B][SIZE=4]Limited stay[/SIZE][/B]1. Limited stay permit not in the context of working for a second home with a maximum stay of 5 years: IDR 12,000,0002. Limited stay permit not for working for a second home with a maximum stay of 5 years: IDR 12,000,000[B][SIZE=4]Permanent residence permit[/SIZE][/B]1. Permanent residence permit not in the context of working for a second home with a maximum stay of 5 years: IDR 15,000,0002. Permanent residence permit not for work for a second home for followers (husband/wife/child/parents) with a period of maximum stay of 5 years: IDR 5,000,0003. Permanent residence permit not in the context of working for a second home with an indefinite period: IDR 30,000,0004. Permanent residence permit not in the context of working for a second home for followers (husband/wife /child/parent) with an unlimited period of time: IDR 15,000,000[B][SIZE=4]Re-entry permit[/SIZE][/B]1. Re-entry permit is valid for a maximum of 5 years in the context of a second home: IDR. 6,000,0002. A re-entry permit is valid for a maximum of 5 years in the context of a second home for followers (Husband/Wife/Child/Parent): IDR. 1,500,000 .Read the original article here: [URL]https://travel.detik.com/travel-news/d-6036899/hoax-tarif-voa-naik-ini-tarif-visa-izin-tinggal-dan-izin-masuk-kembali[/URL].
britoo
Bali Governor confirms the rumoured increase to the VOA tariff is unfounded.From Detik.com (Google translate)[SIZE=5][B]Hoax VOA Rates RiseThese Are Visa Rates, Stay Permits and Re-Entry Permits[/B][/SIZE][B]Jakarta[/B] -There are changes in visa rates , visa permits and re-entry permits for those who want to visit Indonesia. Meanwhile, the Visa on Arrival (VoA) rate remains the same. Previously, there were rumors circulating about the increase in VoA for tourists visiting Indonesia. Had made a number of Bali tourism actors nervous, this issue is not true.This was confirmed by the Governor of Bali, I Wayan Koster in a written statement. The emergence of this issue stems from a WhatsApp message circulating among Bali tourism players who say the VOA rate has increased to Rp 1.5 million per person."After I checked with the Minister of Law and Human Rights, it turned out to be not true. It's fake news, don't believe it," said Wayan Koster in his written statement quoted by detikBali, Sunday (17/4/2022).According to the Minister of Finance Regulation No. 9/PML.02/2022 which takes effect from April 16, 2022, [B]the Visit Visa on Arrival (VOA) is the same as before, which is IDR 500,000 per person.[/B]Through the account of the Directorate General of Immigration, the immigration office releases the latest rates for visas and residence permits as well as re-entry permits. While Visa on Arrival is said to be the same as before.Here are the latest rates for Visa and Stay Permit and Re-Entry Permit:[B][SIZE=4]Visa[/SIZE][/B]1. A one-time visit visa for a maximum of 60 days: IDR 2,000,0002. A one-time visit visa for a maximum of 180 days: IDR 6,000,0003. A one-time visit visa for a tour of a maximum of 60 days: IDR 1,500,0004 A visit visa for several trips per year: IDR 3,000,0005. Limited stay visa not for work for a second home: IDR 3,000,0006. Limited stay visa not for working for a second home IDR 3,000,0007. Visa limited stay not in the context of working for a second home for followers (husband/wife/children/parents): IDR 2,000,000[B][SIZE=4]Visit stay permit[/SIZE][/B]1. Visit stay permit valid for a maximum of 60 days: IDR 2,000,0002. Visit permit valid for a maximum of 180 days for Pre-investment: IDR 6,000,000[B][SIZE=4]Limited stay[/SIZE][/B]1. Limited stay permit not in the context of working for a second home with a maximum stay of 5 years: IDR 12,000,0002. Limited stay permit not for working for a second home with a maximum stay of 5 years: IDR 12,000,000[B][SIZE=4]Permanent residence permit[/SIZE][/B]1. Permanent residence permit not in the context of working for a second home with a maximum stay of 5 years: IDR 15,000,0002. Permanent residence permit not for work for a second home for followers (husband/wife/child/parents) with a period of maximum stay of 5 years: IDR 5,000,0003. Permanent residence permit not in the context of working for a second home with an indefinite period: IDR 30,000,0004. Permanent residence permit not in the context of working for a second home for followers (husband/wife /child/parent) with an unlimited period of time: IDR 15,000,000[B][SIZE=4]Re-entry permit[/SIZE][/B]1. Re-entry permit is valid for a maximum of 5 years in the context of a second home: IDR. 6,000,0002. A re-entry permit is valid for a maximum of 5 years in the context of a second home for followers (Husband/Wife/Child/Parent): IDR. 1,500,000 .Read the original article here: [URL]https://travel.detik.com/travel-news/d-6036899/hoax-tarif-voa-naik-ini-tarif-visa-izin-tinggal-dan-izin-masuk-kembali[/URL].[/QUOTE]Matsaleh,probably had one sherbet too many or possibly two but I am missing something here . . .. probably obvious.It seems to say the increase in VOA from 500k is fake news . . . . .but then goes on to show a list of new visa prices that conspicuously doesnt contain any metion of a visa priced at 500k but does have both the 1.5Jt and 2Jt 60 day visas "allegedly" proposed as the new VOA tourist and non tourist respectively.Like I said confused and blaming the suds.
mugwump
Bali Governor confirms the rumoured increase to the VOA tariff is unfounded.From Detik.com (Google translate)[SIZE=5][B]Hoax VOA Rates RiseThese Are Visa Rates, Stay Permits and Re-Entry Permits[/B][/SIZE][B]Jakarta[/B] -There are changes in visa rates , visa permits and re-entry permits for those who want to visit Indonesia. Meanwhile, the Visa on Arrival (VoA) rate remains the same. Previously, there were rumors circulating about the increase in VoA for tourists visiting Indonesia. Had made a number of Bali tourism actors nervous, this issue is not true.This was confirmed by the Governor of Bali, I Wayan Koster in a written statement. The emergence of this issue stems from a WhatsApp message circulating among Bali tourism players who say the VOA rate has increased to Rp 1.5 million per person."After I checked with the Minister of Law and Human Rights, it turned out to be not true. It's fake news, don't believe it," said Wayan Koster in his written statement quoted by detikBali, Sunday (17/4/2022).According to the Minister of Finance Regulation No. 9/PML.02/2022 which takes effect from April 16, 2022, [B]the Visit Visa on Arrival (VOA) is the same as before, which is IDR 500,000 per person.[/B]Through the account of the Directorate General of Immigration, the immigration office releases the latest rates for visas and residence permits as well as re-entry permits. While Visa on Arrival is said to be the same as before.Here are the latest rates for Visa and Stay Permit and Re-Entry Permit:[B][SIZE=4]Visa[/SIZE][/B]1. A one-time visit visa for a maximum of 60 days: IDR 2,000,0002. A one-time visit visa for a maximum of 180 days: IDR 6,000,0003. A one-time visit visa for a tour of a maximum of 60 days: IDR 1,500,0004 A visit visa for several trips per year: IDR 3,000,0005. Limited stay visa not for work for a second home: IDR 3,000,0006. Limited stay visa not for working for a second home IDR 3,000,0007. Visa limited stay not in the context of working for a second home for followers (husband/wife/children/parents): IDR 2,000,000[B][SIZE=4]Visit stay permit[/SIZE][/B]1. Visit stay permit valid for a maximum of 60 days: IDR 2,000,0002. Visit permit valid for a maximum of 180 days for Pre-investment: IDR 6,000,000[B][SIZE=4]Limited stay[/SIZE][/B]1. Limited stay permit not in the context of working for a second home with a maximum stay of 5 years: IDR 12,000,0002. Limited stay permit not for working for a second home with a maximum stay of 5 years: IDR 12,000,000[B][SIZE=4]Permanent residence permit[/SIZE][/B]1. Permanent residence permit not in the context of working for a second home with a maximum stay of 5 years: IDR 15,000,0002. Permanent residence permit not for work for a second home for followers (husband/wife/child/parents) with a period of maximum stay of 5 years: IDR 5,000,0003. Permanent residence permit not in the context of working for a second home with an indefinite period: IDR 30,000,0004. Permanent residence permit not in the context of working for a second home for followers (husband/wife /child/parent) with an unlimited period of time: IDR 15,000,000[B][SIZE=4]Re-entry permit[/SIZE][/B]1. Re-entry permit is valid for a maximum of 5 years in the context of a second home: IDR. 6,000,0002. A re-entry permit is valid for a maximum of 5 years in the context of a second home for followers (Husband/Wife/Child/Parent): IDR. 1,500,000 .Read the original article here: [URL]https://travel.detik.com/travel-news/d-6036899/hoax-tarif-voa-naik-ini-tarif-visa-izin-tinggal-dan-izin-masuk-kembali[/URL].[/QUOTE]I guess they don't like "backpacker" retired expats either.
Markit
Bali Governor confirms the rumoured increase to the VOA tariff is unfounded.From Detik.com (Google translate)[SIZE=5][B]Hoax VOA Rates RiseThese Are Visa Rates, Stay Permits and Re-Entry Permits[/B][/SIZE][B]Jakarta[/B] -There are changes in visa rates , visa permits and re-entry permits for those who want to visit Indonesia. Meanwhile, the Visa on Arrival (VoA) rate remains the same. Previously, there were rumors circulating about the increase in VoA for tourists visiting Indonesia. Had made a number of Bali tourism actors nervous, this issue is not true.This was confirmed by the Governor of Bali, I Wayan Koster in a written statement. The emergence of this issue stems from a WhatsApp message circulating among Bali tourism players who say the VOA rate has increased to Rp 1.5 million per person."After I checked with the Minister of Law and Human Rights, it turned out to be not true. It's fake news, don't believe it," said Wayan Koster in his written statement quoted by detikBali, Sunday (17/4/2022).According to the Minister of Finance Regulation No. 9/PML.02/2022 which takes effect from April 16, 2022, [B]the Visit Visa on Arrival (VOA) is the same as before, which is IDR 500,000 per person.[/B]Through the account of the Directorate General of Immigration, the immigration office releases the latest rates for visas and residence permits as well as re-entry permits. While Visa on Arrival is said to be the same as before.Here are the latest rates for Visa and Stay Permit and Re-Entry Permit:[B][SIZE=4]Visa[/SIZE][/B]1. A one-time visit visa for a maximum of 60 days: IDR 2,000,0002. A one-time visit visa for a maximum of 180 days: IDR 6,000,0003. A one-time visit visa for a tour of a maximum of 60 days: IDR 1,500,0004 A visit visa for several trips per year: IDR 3,000,0005. Limited stay visa not for work for a second home: IDR 3,000,0006. Limited stay visa not for working for a second home IDR 3,000,0007. Visa limited stay not in the context of working for a second home for followers (husband/wife/children/parents): IDR 2,000,000[B][SIZE=4]Visit stay permit[/SIZE][/B]1. Visit stay permit valid for a maximum of 60 days: IDR 2,000,0002. Visit permit valid for a maximum of 180 days for Pre-investment: IDR 6,000,000[B][SIZE=4]Limited stay[/SIZE][/B]1. Limited stay permit not in the context of working for a second home with a maximum stay of 5 years: IDR 12,000,0002. Limited stay permit not for working for a second home with a maximum stay of 5 years: IDR 12,000,000[B][SIZE=4]Permanent residence permit[/SIZE][/B]1. Permanent residence permit not in the context of working for a second home with a maximum stay of 5 years: IDR 15,000,0002. Permanent residence permit not for work for a second home for followers (husband/wife/child/parents) with a period of maximum stay of 5 years: IDR 5,000,0003. Permanent residence permit not in the context of working for a second home with an indefinite period: IDR 30,000,0004. Permanent residence permit not in the context of working for a second home for followers (husband/wife /child/parent) with an unlimited period of time: IDR 15,000,000[B][SIZE=4]Re-entry permit[/SIZE][/B]1. Re-entry permit is valid for a maximum of 5 years in the context of a second home: IDR. 6,000,0002. A re-entry permit is valid for a maximum of 5 years in the context of a second home for followers (Husband/Wife/Child/Parent): IDR. 1,500,000 .Read the original article here: [URL]https://travel.detik.com/travel-news/d-6036899/hoax-tarif-voa-naik-ini-tarif-visa-izin-tinggal-dan-izin-masuk-kembali[/URL].[/QUOTE]I have more questions than I did at 13 about girls but at least with this I'm sure to get screwed.
BedhesPutih
Ah, yes, the new "2nd Home Visa/Permit" but not only for retirees. Will be interesting to see the requirements for this one when the new regulations are [I]finally [/I]issued.[/QUOTE]The fees have been issued on the DitJenIm instagram for the 2nd home KITAS
SamD
What is the difference between Limited Stay 1. and Limited Stay 2. ? This is the KITAS right? So I paid 10million last year and must pay 12million this year? That is quite a hike.
