Return to Bali?

mugwump

Am presently out of the R.I. And planning to return possibly in November 2001, but wish to know if subject to quarantine even though having a KITAS, a Bali residence, and both jabs?

matsaleh

Am presently out of the R.I. And planning to return possibly in November 2001, but wish to know if subject to quarantine even though having a KITAS, a Bali residence, and both jabs?[/QUOTE]Yes, everyone must quarantine for 5 days now (reduced to 5 x 24 hours yesterday) in either Jakarta or Manado, whichever is your entry point. Also required: * Proof of full vaccination (physical or digital certificate)* RT-PCR test taken no less than 3x24 hours before departure * Proof of health insurance with minimum coverage of $100,000, including treatment for Covid-19

harryopal

"........ * Proof of health insurance with minimum coverage of $100,000, including treatment for Covid-19[/QUOTE]So what do we presume happens for fossils like myself for whom health insurance is all but impossible to obtain? And given that I am a resident, were I to travel to Aus and back would I still be required to have health insurance even as a resident?

tel522

matsaleh

So what do we presume happens for fossils like myself for whom health insurance is all but impossible to obtain? And given that I am a resident, were I to travel to Aus and back would I still be required to have health insurance even as a resident?[/QUOTE]Evidently, it is required for everyone. Ask your agent what is required. He / she may be able to organise something for you. Also check on Google for a company called INSUBUY, a brokerage for several insurance companies. By entering your details, including age, country of citizenship and duration of insurance, they will give you a list of which companies will cover you and the cost.

harryopal

Hi harry , your married and on kitap ya ? so therefore you should have bpjs I presume , so no issue .[/QUOTE]My wife's keluarga is registered in Bandung so we were unable to get BPJS registered here in Bali. It seems she may have to go to Bandung to have me included on her documentation which is now a process with present Covid requirements. Would an Australian Medicare card be likely to be acceptable?

harryopal

Markit

Answering for a friend: many people have bought "Travel Insurance" and polished their Photoshop abilities to amend things on the digital policy like "TRAVEL INSURANCE" TO "HEALTH INSURANCE" printed it out and lived here undisturbed for years. I would never suggest someone do this but I thought it mildly interesting...

John M

I have always made bookings directly airlines or hotels so don't have an agent. And with these difficult times so many agents have disappeared with clients money for bookings. Can you please recommend an agent here that I might enquire about at specifics of health insurance to cover the re-entry requirements?[/QUOTE]Hi Harry;An Australian Medicare card would be no good because it doesn't cover overseas medical treatment and I can't see how any visa agent in Bali would be able to help with insurance.Try this insurance company- [URL]https://apipacific.com[/URL] - they're based in Bali and Singapore, were the cheapest that I could find for expat health insurance by quite a way back in April and communicated promptly.Because I was planning several in and out trips at the time I ultimately used travel insurance (Cover-More) to get my B211A visa then retirement KITAS after I arrived. They didn't have any Covid cover at the time when I arrived but now do have limited cover although not for any country which is on Australia's "Do not travel" list as is Indonesia of course.On the other hand the current requirement for Covid 19 cover could change at any time since on September 15th they announced that either Covid 19 cover, or a letter stating that you would pay for Covid treatment at your own expense if required, was sufficient. Then yesterday that changed to the $100,000 and Covid 19 cover which will be pretty impossible for anyone I reckon while Indonesia is still in a pandemic declared state.

PERtoDPS

Evidently, it is required for everyone. Ask your agent what is required. He / she may be able to organise something for you.Also check on Google for a company called INSUBUY, a brokerage for several insurance companies. By entering your details, including age, country of citizenship and duration of insurance, they will give you a list of which companies will cover you and the cost.[/QUOTE]I have just been through this with my agent, seems like if I post the information it will be useful to many who choose not to buy health insurance:This is my agents words copied and pasted when I asked if it's possible to come in to Indonesia no insurance:You don't need the insurance but later you will have to sign the statement if anything happens like you get the covid then the expenses must be on you.Hope that helps, if it's not mandatory I sure as hell won't be buying it. Once when I did buy it it was only as good as much cash as you had on hand and then it's up to you to claim it back in your home country.[ATTACH type="full" alt="1634299170764.png"]3531[/ATTACH]

britoo

harryopal

Thank you Tel522, Matsalah, John M, Markit and PertoDPS for you replies. I tried y- [URL='https://apipacific.com/']https://apipacific.com[/URL] - and got this: [SIZE=7][B]404 [/B][/SIZE][SIZE=6][B]Not Found [/B][/SIZE]The resource requested could not be found on this server!I also tried with a VPN with the same response.At the moment it is just NSW that is to open without quarantine in November. I imagine the pressure will develop on other states to drop quarantining but perhaps unlikely before the end of the year. By then the $100.000 health insurance may have changed so we will wait a bit and see. Certainly very confusing. And imagine the fun at Ngurah Rai as people turn up without fufilling all the requirements. I suspect many local people are anticipating a big pick up with tourist flows but the complexities will continue to put a lot of people off.

John M

Thank you Tel522, Matsalah, John M, Markit and PertoDPS for you replies. I tried y- [URL='https://apipacific.com/']https://apipacific.com[/URL] - and got this: [SIZE=7][B]404 [/B][/SIZE][SIZE=6][B]Not Found [/B][/SIZE]The resource requested could not be found on this server!I also tried with a VPN with the same response.At the moment it is just NSW that is to open without quarantine in November. I imagine the pressure will develop on other states to drop quarantining but perhaps unlikely before the end of the year. By then the $100.000 health insurance may have changed so we will wait a bit and see. Certainly very confusing. And imagine the fun at Ngurah Rai as people turn up without fufilling all the requirements.I suspect many local people are anticipating a big pick up with tourist flows but the complexities will continue to put a lot of people off.[/QUOTE]That's strange I just clicked the link in your message and it worked, try this one [URL]https://apipacific.com/igh-insurance[/URL]

John M

I have just been through this with my agent, seems like if I post the information it will be useful to many who choose not to buy health insurance:This is my agents words copied and pasted when I asked if it's possible to come in to Indonesia no insurance:You don't need the insurance but later you will have to sign the statement if anything happens like you get the covid then the expenses must be on you.Hope that helps, if it's not mandatory I sure as hell won't be buying it. Once when I did buy it it was only as good as much cash as you had on hand and then it's up to you to claim it back in your home country.[ATTACH=full]3531[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]That was in fact correct up until yesterday when the Covid 19 Task Force released circular letter No. 20 which reads (by Google translation):(See the original here: [URL]https://covid19.go.id/p/regulasi/surat-edaran-nomor-20-tahun-2021[/URL])8. International Travellers with the status of Foreign Citizens (WNA) with the purpose of traveling can enter Indonesian territory with the following conditions:[LIST=1][*]Through entry points (airports) in Bali and the Riau Islands;[*]In addition to the provisions/requirements to show the card or certificate has received the COVID-19 vaccine and a negative result of the RT-PCR test as referred to in number 3.b. and 3.c., international travellers for travel purposes are required to attach:[LIST=1][*]Short Visit Visa or other entry permits in accordance with applicable laws and regulations;[*][U]Proof of ownership of health insurance with a minimum coverage value of USD 100,000 which includes financing for handling COVID-19[/U]; and[*]Proof of booking confirmation and payment (booking) for accommodation from the accommodation provider while staying in Indonesia.[/LIST][/LIST]It remains unclear if a KITAS/KITAP holder is considered to be a traveller for the purpose of this clause but at the start of the circular they define a traveller as: [LIST=1][*]An International Traveler is a person who has traveled from abroad in the last 14 days.[/LIST]When I came in April I had the required letters at that time i.e. one stating that I would pay for Covid treatment if required, one stating that I agreed to and would pay for the quarantine and one stating that I would pay for any health monitoring required during the quarantine (PCR tests) but nobody asked for them at Jakarta airport and that will probably be the case with this insurance thing but who can tell. Anyone who applied for and received a visa before yesterday could supply a letter instead of insurance so who knows where they stand now but the rules change by the day of course and immigration workers are probably as confused as we are.

harryopal

That's strange I just clicked the link in your message and it worked, try this one [URL]https://apipacific.com/igh-insurance[/URL][/QUOTE] I followed it through to the submission and then it freaked out 404 Error probably shocked at my year of birth 1938.Never mind. We will see how things evolve through November.

gtrken

brelofensas

lI am sorry to inform you but you missed the boat.November 2001 was a while ago....:)[/QUOTE]lol....I'm sure he meant November 2021.Definitely you're going to quarantine for at least 5 days.

mugwump

I am sorry to inform you but you missed the boat.November 2001 was a while ago....:)[/QUOTE]Am still rowing! Aside from that have to mention that don't believe that anyone with a current valid kitas would be subject to new requirements while the kitas is in effect.

John M

Am still rowing! Aside from that have to mention that don't believe that anyone with a current valid kitas would be subject to new requirements while the kitas is in effect.[/QUOTE]That would be nice Mugwump but unfortunately holding a KITAS/KITAP doesn't allow anyone to bypass quarantine (only diplomatic Ambassadors are exempt and even they must self quarantine at home); here is the wording form the Covid 19 Handling Task Force Surat 20 of Oct 14th 2021:[LIST=1][*]Upon arrival, RT-PCR re-tests are carried out [U][B]for international travellers[/B][/U] and they are [U][B]required to undergo quarantine for 5 x 24 hours[/B][/U], with the following conditions:[*]For Indonesian citizens, namely Indonesian Migrant Workers (PMI); Student/student; or Government Employees returning from overseas official trips in accordance with the Decree of the Head of the COVID-19 Handling Task Force Number 14 of 2021 concerning Entry Points, Quarantine Places, and RT-PCR Obligations for Indonesian Citizens International Traveling at a cost borne by the government.[*]For Indonesian citizens outside the criteria as referred to in number 1) [B][U]and for foreigners, including foreign diplomats[/U][/B], other than the head of foreign representatives and the family of the head of the foreign representative [U][B]must undergo quarantine[/B][/U] at the quarantine accommodation place.[/LIST]The letter also defines an international traveller as follows "An International Traveller is a person who has traveled from abroad in the last 14 days"Hopefully the quarantine thing will soon be eliminated or at least dropped to the level of some countries where you spend one night in a quarantine facility awaiting the arrival PCR test results.

PERtoDPS

While we are at it on updating this thread my friend arrived last night to Jakarta, no health insurance no problem just like I told her wasn't checked. If it were me I'd take the gamble on that one and have one ready to book on the go if required on airport wifi.