Hi , I’m very new to the site , Johnboy59

Johnboy59

I have been dating a Bali girl that I meet through a friend that is Balinese.We have been FaceTiming daily for about two years now but have never physically meet . We know we are both good for each other and have been talking about marriage here in Australia, I know nothing about how to go about how to go about marrying her and what is the best way of going about this I would appreciate it so very much. We are both older adults and now want to be together. Can someone advise please . Johnboy59

harryopal

Covid and the Delta variant have thrown all the previous requirements out the window. Getting a visa for your friend to visit Australia will be difficult. Previously it was not easy either. If you sought a visa for the purpose of getting married you would have been required to make the application using a complicated process with lots of documentation, considerable cost and taking upwards of a year to complete. A simpler way would be to seek a tourist visa. To get that your friend would probably have needed to show that she has a job and a commitment to return to her job in Indonesia. A letter from her employer would have been useful. You would need to show a return airfare booking and that she or you had adequate funds not only for her visit but to cover any unexpected costs such as medical costs were she to fall ill. A tourist itinerary showing where and why she would propose to tour. There would be suspicion that marriage might be intended and you could be told to apply for a fiance's visa as outlined above. With the visa available the actual marriage process in Australia is quite simple. You can arrange a civil service requiring birth certificates, passport details and documents regarding divorce if either of you had previously married. The marriage should then be registered with the Indonesian Embassy in Canberra. With lockdowns, quarantining and events changing from day to day in Australia I see no short term means of getting a visa for Australia and it would be made more difficult that your friend is from Indonesia which would now be seen as a high risk country for Covid infection.Indonesia is hoping to allow international travellers to enter some time in the near future. But that is also uncertain and the idea has been deferred a couple of times. Compounding the difficulties is that permission must be obtained from the Australian government for Australian citizens to travel abroad. No clear indication as to when that may change. Sorry to say I see no easy method to overcome the present barriers. NSW is talking of accepting the necessity of living with Delta and abandoning lockdowns. There is also growing frustration with lockdowns across the country. Perhaps towards the end of the year things may open up and travel may be possible but you're visiting Bali would be easier to organize rather than seeking a visa for your friend to visit Australia,Once married you are back to the complicated visa application process if you hope to live together in Australia. Your wife could act as a sponsor for you to get entry to Indonesia but then how would you support yourself here? If you have access to a substantial amount of funds you might look at a business visa and then again it starts to become more complicated. At the very least it would seem nothing is likely much before the end of this year. Perhaps another forum member can throw a more positive light on this issue. Good luck

JackStraw

"We know we are both good for each other"Not trying to be a cunt or anything here but how exactly can you know that without ever physically meeting someone in person first? It's quite easy to fabricate a personality through electronic mediums.I'm not saying you're wrong or she's lying but I'd highly recommend you two meeting first before marriage (and that's the bare minimum). I only say this since the statistics in my opinion typically don't go in the way of the bule husband in this scenario. I do know one couple that had a similar situation as you and they're on year 30 of a long and happy marriage. But that's an outlier. One out of maybe 30 individual cases I know where the outcome was less than stellar.

Foamcrest

Balifrog

And for goodness sake when things get back to anywhere near normal get yourself to Bali and live with the woman for 6 months and see how it goes. It's amazing how much clearer things become once your dick has gone down.[/QUOTE]At last a mention of common sense !To the O.P. : Follow that advice, you will probably discover a lot of things about her that got "filtered out" on FaceTime ....You will need patience and luck, a LOT of both !Edit : And money..

JackStraw

At last a mention of common sense !To the O.P. : Follow that advice, you will probably discover a lot of things about her that got "filtered out" on FaceTime ....You will need patience and luck, a LOT of both !Edit : And money..[/QUOTE]My post got blocked because I used the "c word" but glad to see some other people with some common sense in here

PERtoDPS

I hate to tell you but you've got Buckley's of getting married in Australia. As many before you can testify and as Harryopal has pointed out the hoops you would have to go through are endless an very expensive. I have a mate who wanted to bring a friend over for a two week holiday and despite him willing to guarantee all medical and social costs was knocked back. And for goodness sake when things get back to anywhere near normal get yourself to Bali and live with the woman for 6 months and see how it goes. It's amazing how much clearer things become once your dick has gone down.[/QUOTE]This is bang on the money. So is what Harry is telling you. I've tried, failed, don't waste your money trying to get her there Australian immigration basically views all Asian girls as hookers, or at least coming with some shady intentions. I say this with having an ex wife who worked Border Force there btw. That is decades ago that worked, not anymore sorry. Come and get stuck here for an indefinite amount of time and fund it out of pocket yourself for both you and her, oh and of course her family. Sorry to shatter your dreams but that is the reality of it.I'm not saying you're an idiot or anything, it's just to do with the world situation right now. You'll also find in Australia different states will treat it differently.

John M

Hi Johnboy59.All of the above advice is both wise and true.For the record, currently the Australian Prospective Marriage Visa (Subclass 300) costs $7,850 and lists processing times of '[I]75% of applications within 24 months and 90% within 28 months' [/I]and the money is not refundable if the visa is refused, as it most certainly would be for a couple who have never met. It is also highly likely that the COVID border and consulate closures will have caused a massive application backlog that will have substantially increased the waiting times mentioned above.The application is complex and requires extensive proof of a '[I]genuine and continuing relationship[/I]' between two people who have '[I]met face to face as adults since turning 18' [/I]including, among many other things, two statutory declarations (Form 888) from independent witnesses who must detail their knowledge of the couple's relationship so, as someone mentioned above, the days of mail-order internet brides are long gone and this visa is not an option for you.Even tourist visas are almost impossible to get in normal non-COVID times (a clue lies in the fact that the application form is 14 pages long).My (mature) girlfriend applied not long before COVID struck and despite having sufficient savings, a letter from her employer and substantial financial support proof from myself was refused a visa on the grounds of '[I]Insufficient incentive to return to Indonesia[/I]'. (The decision cannot be challenged by the way and the cost is also not refunded).Subsequent research indicated that 'sufficient incentive to return' at a minimum would usually include owning, not renting, property and holding a higher level job rather than, as my girlfriend was, 'just' a waitress in a restaurant (and apparently having a 'rich' boyfriend in Australia is also considered a disincentive - obvious with hindsight).The consensus about your situation therefore seems to be:Marriage or cohabitation in Australia is not a realistic option.If you are retired or financially independent then marriage or cohabitation in Bali is a realistic option but not in the near future.You will need to wait until Australia opens up for outward bound travel, probably early 2022 (learn some Bahasa Indonesia while you're waiting - DuoLingo is good and free), get a suitable visa then come to Bali for several months and see what happens after the FaceTime fantasy morphs into day-to-day reality as all fantasies surely do.Good luck and have patience - patience in abundance is an absolute necessity in Indonesia :)

PERtoDPS

Hi Johnboy59.All of the above advice is both wise and true.For the record, currently the Australian Prospective Marriage Visa (Subclass 300) costs $7,850 and lists processing times of '[I]75% of applications within 24 months and 90% within 28 months' [/I]and the money is not refundable if the visa is refused, as it most certainly would be for a couple who have never met.It is also highly likely that the COVID border and consulate closures will have caused a massive application backlog that will have substantially increased the waiting times mentioned above.The application is complex and requires extensive proof of a '[I]genuine and continuing relationship[/I]' between two people who have '[I]met face to face as adults since turning 18' [/I]including, among many other things, two statutory declarations (Form 888) from independent witnesses who must detail their knowledge of the couple's relationship so, as someone mentioned above, the days of mail-order internet brides are long gone and this visa is not an option for you.Even tourist visas are almost impossible to get in normal non-COVID times (a clue lies in the fact that the application form is 14 pages long).My (mature) girlfriend applied not long before COVID struck and despite having sufficient savings, a letter from her employer and substantial financial support proof from myself was refused a visa on the grounds of '[I]Insufficient incentive to return to Indonesia[/I]'. (The decision cannot be challenged by the way and the cost is also not refunded).Subsequent research indicated that 'sufficient incentive to return' at a minimum would usually include owning, not renting, property and holding a higher level job rather than, as my girlfriend was, 'just' a waitress in a restaurant (and apparently having a 'rich' boyfriend in Australia is also considered a disincentive - obvious with hindsight).The consensus about your situation therefore seems to be:Marriage or cohabitation in Australia is not a realistic option.If you are retired or financially independent then marriage or cohabitation in Bali is a realistic option but not in the near future.You will need to wait until Australia opens up for outward bound travel, probably early 2022 (learn some Bahasa Indonesia while you're waiting - DuoLingo is good and free), get a suitable visa then come to Bali for several months and see what happens after the FaceTime fantasy morphs into day-to-day reality as all fantasies surely do.Good luck and have patience - patience in abundance is an absolute necessity in Indonesia :)[/QUOTE]Is well written and basically same experience, my Mrs has no criminal record, showed certificates to family warung, religious commitments, I can not imagine her keeping away from her family it's not the Indonesian thing to do at all and more than enough money in accounts. They'll happily take your money and decline the visa. Hence it's money better spent on you coming here. I like it better here anyway but as others have said you'll need to sustain yourself in one way or another.Australia honestly seems to believe it's superior. But that said, a lot of crime and drugs came with the flood of Asians coming in from Vietnam back in the day and the heroin filled 90s, look at Sydney for example. I don't agree with it, but it's what you're up against OP.

SamD

Good advice here. Forget about bringing her to Australistan. Get over here yourself and work it out from there. Don't know how you do that with all the covid bs but the Russians are managing it somehow.

hca

Hello Johnyboy59,considering your current inquiry, I am wondering what unit of measure the 59 is?My humble opinion, experience whatever, totally irrelevant but a bit different to most here, butBack in 2004? I took my upper management down for a month as tourist, we had been preparing reams of stuff for a married visa of which there were 4 variants that cost was around 2400 skippy pesos plus a couple of years health insurance and her right ear. So we had a heap of material ready, I was tied up with the sand cartel in Singapore at the time, so we applied there. Easy, in 3 days its ready, however the word on forums was its very difficult but I had the impression many of them who failed did not really supply all the requested items required with the application. The general consensus was that if you struck out on the first try it it became harder next time. Thats the first hint.. Already I had been out for there for 15ish years, so by that time so I was a bit street wise.As somebody already mentioned Au immigration seem to have a prevailing view that all Indo women are hookers, I cant explain why, but Asian girls can go there and pick fruit but not sell fruit, maybe these blokes have some personal issue with she indoors at home, maybe they have money in the game there and a frightened of the potential losses to such opposition. Whatever, that view has prevailed for at least 20 years. So there the second hint of what you are up against.2006, we went back again, this time for 3 months, visas obtained in Bali but also easy as before. But, options with land there, a country girl from here is full of ideas with the old farm, but at every turn, can't do that here, next, no not that anymore either! Not deterred she has more ideas and suggestions, but all sorts of permits, standards, astronomical costs, nope, I said forget it, lets head home to Bali and forget the whole thing, there's no way I could live in what this place has become anyway. 3rd, hint the redtape environment folks there regard as normal will be foreign to her.I must state all of my generation there are gone, and I went back 2 home times since, last was 10 years ago. Aeroplanes are great, they leave the place at 500 miles an hour. But there was another important reason for dropping the idea, I worked with a lot of EU guys at that time and quite a few took Asian wives of various nationalities home, all very happy but hubby still had to work, either in the the office or fly off for a month at a time again. New wife is sat there in a different culture, at home alone. She speaks the new language ok, but with an accent that no body can there follow so well, and I add to that Aussies are dumber with accents the Europeans, countrywomen are few and far between, people there have little clue of life anywhere else so they dont get the gist of what she talks about from home, its all novel and unfathomable. Plus they don't give a shit anyway after a few minutes. The TV is crap and pretty quick she is bored to death at home alone a lot of the time. She misses her family, it tears her apart inside, the freedoms of life, the village lifestyle, she crys alone, then she only know 33 degrees by day down to 23 at 4am, half of the year its too hot for her and the other half its too bloody cold. 4th.I guess by now you know where I am going with this.... The relation ship fails a lot of the time .. And these were solid couples before they moved, the wives mostly had lived abroad following their husbands to projects for months at a time, not Bali village or DPS locals girls who might not have even left the island.Hints to facts.Step forward 20 years, you have more licenses, permits, pieces of paper, fines, bylaws and rules and BB in you life there than you ever had, the only thing you can do for free and with out some piece of paper there now is fart. The costs have gone through the roof and the visa deal is harder to get approved as some posters here have already written, also most locals here can not leave right now unless they are going to approved work with all the appropriate supporting paperwork. 100 AUD tickets to Perth or Darwin from here will only be seen again in history books, let alone the fact normal people cant get in or out of AU anymore, then 2 weeks locked in a hotel room or what ever they do there at great expense. Also the cops out in the streets have either become medial profesionals or hoodalums.Now there is the cv19 fiasco down there to contend with, who in their right mind would leave a life here to get on a plane and go there now?? The joints become an International joke, we don't have any of that carry on up here what ever bulldust they might say about the place on your crooked media, although its been a while since the village chook fights were stopped and you still see some people heading down to town with masks at half mast.Coming this way to meet first is recommended but ts not easy to get in here right now either, even if you ever escape Alcatraz, there are only 3 classifications to get entry here right now according to a bloke with land down the road who works for immigration and your not likely to fit one of them. So how the Russians getting in someone mentioned do, is a mystery to me too. You cant just pluck a girl out of here and take her down there, its chalk and cheese. Its just toooo different, you dont understand the quality of life your asking her to give up for the shitty deal your offering. It will take more than your 59 cubits to make up the difference.I will go where angels fear to tread because I have never been an angel. Truly mate, calm down on this, do the cold shower thing, donate sperm, what ever rattles your dags. Wait till this cv19 thing blows over and the global insanity that's going on either comes to a head or dissipates. Yes people have managed to do what you propose but not for a while now and its a hard act to follow at best of times. Spend the time finding out how to go about it in the easiest way, start with getting the migration forms and fact sheets, sound out a few immigration agents there as much as you can with out a bill. They probably have spare time now while getting ready to deal with the young Afghan blokes heading down to operate and guard all those new quarantine centers BB has suddenly found the need to build all over the place after 18 months of doing SFA. Ask more questions as you learn, come up here if you survive the a fore mentioned, meet up with her here and see how it goes and then take it from there.And I forgot bring money, lots of it, count on enough for a new car, a few motorbikes, a couple of small house rebuilds, plus what you need for your self. And if your worried about the local hooch, money enough to build a decent still. Because you can do that here. H.PS No online sex stuff on the FO social media in the meantime, you will distract the feds reading it from their most important work.