Total build cost of average villa

JohnG

gtrken

Your friend built a 300m2 villa for $50,000AUD which at current prices works out under 2,000,000Rp per m2 ?Bet you it's a quality build....Most villas are 5M Rp upwards per m2 for any sort of decent quality.That doesn't include pools

JackStraw

Good afternoon.Can anyone provide a rough guide to how much an average villa would cost? Turn keyPlus architects cost. Usually these costs are provided per square meter.I know it depends on quality and choice of materials/ size ect. But I'll try and find a few ideas.land is bought,Villa size approx 300m23 Bedroom and an 8 x 3 meter pool.I've got friends who built for AUS$50,000 and others for AUS$100,000, with marble floors in bathrooms and German appliances, celings throughout.Some builders provide a full package, once land is cleared and services close by they provide their standard prices. Broken down by the phases. With a time frame of approx 6 months.I thought I would check if any builder or architect would like to provide a few basic designs and costs.if not, then it's all good.[/QUOTE]$100,000 AUD with marble floors and german appliances? What was this in 1985 or was the house only 25 m2?Because those are the only possible scenarios possible. Far more likely your friend probably paid 12 million/meter2 and is ashamed of it so gave you some low ball number to seem cool.I know a local guy from Jakarta. High-up member of a well-known Indonesian bank. He built a vacation home in Sanur for around 14 juta/meter square. The house was 350 meters sq. and he used the finest marble, imported appliances, etc. And this is a local mind you with some really good connections, so I'm sure he got the best deals on finishings possible and it was still a fortune.

Markit

Mark

It's hard to give cost estimates these days, as prices have risen a lot in the past few years and it really depends on the state of your site, eg, do you need deep foundations (more expensive), as well as your finishing requirements (how long is a piece of string?).My advice is to beware of fixed price packages from contractors unless they are itemized in detail and consistent with your independently obtained bill of quantity, from a quantity surveyor that you hire - otherwise, you will either pay over the odds or be screwed in holes you didn't even know you had (or both), and likely will have a disappointing place as part of the 'bargain'.

sakumabali

Figure between 3.5 and 5.5 million per square meter - pool about 3.5.[/QUOTE]these are ridiculous numbers sorry. yes if you know the game, the country AND good people many things are indeed possible. I built my first house 2005 for 6000 dollar.BUT this is close to impossible now. Especially due to Corona. Yes you might get tasty sugarcoated offers but the money will vanish faster than snow on a V8 pickup truck. People are heavily indebted. Even the helper on the construction site isn't happy working for 120.000 Rupiah daily (kind of understandable). He will sell sand, cement and everything he can get (also to support his people at home; life ain't that cheap anymore).The constructor, the architect, the officials at the government offices, the suppliers will do that too (in a figured kind of sense not selling sand perhaps but demand money in any way you can imagine).Asia crisis or Bali bomb I was different because people had a motorbike credit or a mobile phone credit. These days we closed a restaurant and we had at least two employees who had a house credit! Cops or Banjar officials have a mistress and a car credit. They will be all over you to squeeze money out of you..Everything is possible but expect a double digit million Rupiah per m2. Hope for better :)

gtrken

Figure between 3.5 and 5.5 million per square meter - pool about 3.5.DO NOT sign an agreement with some "builder" and FO back home and wait for the call that it's finished. It most likely will never come and magically the dosh will be gone too.Stay and oversee the build and make sure they don't do stupid things.[/QUOTE]MarkitI think even these days 3.5 to 5.5M is just above Kost quality. Getting prices now for a kost build , nothing fancy, just your standard Uni student Kost around Jimbaran. They are talking at least that and some.Glad I am not building a Villa ...And those prices are with the wife talking, not the stupid Bule.We used a brilliant contractor back in 2015 when we needed some repairs and extensions done to the new Kost ( yep, another story for another time) and I reckon we are going to have to track him down.He charged us a set price per m2 for labour only and we supplied all the materials. It's a good way to go as he has no incentive to cut corners trying to save money/get a commission. I will add that the wife spent 6 months in Bali watching it all as the first time we made the fatal error...We ran an account with the local building supplier just around the corner after we checked their prices and was fairly happy days.CheersStill looking for that Markit jadeness..Ken

Markit

Admitted it's been a while since I built or anyone that I know did so my figures may be optimistic. Trouble is it's really hard to figure these days with starvation creating downward wage/land price pressure and someone (who knows?) building like a mad man down south - seriously there are more gravel/sand/breeze-block trucks headed south now than in the great building hay-days of the 15s/16s. Just spent an afternoon drinking cold Bintangs sitting by the roadside in Candi Dasa watching the truck columns go by, and it starts at 6am and ends....?

sakumabali

PERtoDPS

guys out of curiosity - do you really like Bintang? Or does it has a desperate ironic or sarcastic touch when you write about it?I LOVE beer but I can't swallow Bintang. Last trip I started with rum & fresh coconut. Much tastier but dangerous....[/QUOTE]In Australia when I have 50 beers to choose from and all my favourite ones on tap Bintang is the last beer I'd go to. In Bali all the other beers are disproportionately priced compared with it, eg usually double other than 1 or 2 local brands like Draft beer or SIngaraja, which has gotten increasingly harder to find without all the tourists in town.Bintang is a pilsner and that really isn't the #1 beer style I would choose, but considering by the crate of 18 large bottles I can buy 450,000 in the city, and it tastes ok Il'll run with it. A 24 carton of beers 330ml was running me $60 or so post covid in Australia.As for the local spirts, they are very hit and miss and the imported ones are way over priced.

Markit

guys out of curiosity - do you really like Bintang? Or does it has a desperate ironic or sarcastic touch when you write about it?I LOVE beer but I can't swallow Bintang. Last trip I started with rum & fresh coconut. Much tastier but dangerous....[/QUOTE]Just love it! Yep, one of the best lagers I've ever had and that includes UK/Ozzie/American/German/Chec/Austrian/etc/etc.. Bintang used to have issues with quality control - one case was strong as feck and the next dishwater. But not the seem to have it in grip.

sakumabali

interesting :) issues with quality control plus transportation. If the top layer of crates is in the sun uncovered for days it taste different than the layers below. Plus they put sugar in it....Prost is a little bit better but terrible too. San Miguel light is so watery & expensive I rather drink water. Bali Hai is quality wise ok (so I heard) but doesn't taste good. sigh...

PERtoDPS

sakumabali

I agree. I like a draft Heineken in Amsterdam but the Indonesian version (brewed in Thailand?) is terrible. I understand that Indonesia is a muslim country but why can't they organize it? The imported beers often stuck in containers in Surabaya because the harbor demands an extra "fee". so an expensive Beck's - once finally arrived in the supermarkets - is often expired & stale. In Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand no problem.

gtrken

I remember the quality control issues that is as recent as 3 years ago. I could swear I've bought stale crate of Bintang once or twice since I've been back that has sat in the sun, stick with the bigger dealers they are usually cheaper too than the small local warungs.Any thoughts on the locally made Heineken? I usually quite like Heine'ken beers but I think the made is Bali one of absolutely disgusting.[/QUOTE]Back when I used to regularly go to Bali and drink myself into oblivion I was told that Bintang, as is locally brewed , does not contain much in the way of preservatives and hence does not travel/age well.I bought Bintang once in W Aust to see what it was like and threw it away as was disgusting compared to what I drank( drunk? ) when in Bali.Another poster discussed being in the sun and buying from small warungs with a slow turnover which gells with the scenario of minimal preservative.Cheersstill miles ( kilometres? ) behind Markits JadenessKen

gtrken

And just realized..How did we get from discussing about Villa build prices to talking about the merits of various beers?Cheersstill aspiring to Markits..... yadayadaKen

gtrken

Juggler

for me as a rule I didnt drink beer in Oz...here i really like the bintang...wish red wine was as cheap as Oz:(

Markit

PERtoDPS

When I mentioned "quality control" it was more about the varying strengths of the brew - seems that different bottles from different crates are appreciably stronger or weaker than others.Stale - schmale, if it's cold and strong enough who cares?P.S. also consider that if you buy from a local warung their turnover is gonna be a lot higher than a big box store is as they usually only have 2 or 3 crates AND you are supporting a small family with your purchases NOT a large concern. What's the max price differential 30/40k/crate?[/QUOTE]I didn't mean like lottemart/carefour etc I meant the locally owned distributor. Totally agree not shoveling all your cash to overseas megabrands if you don't have to. My local warung owner is a bitch, I first met her as she was yelling at me why am I shopping in the neighbouring one. Then she started selling me crates one or two beers short and paying me back later (only if I asked of course). So I decided to seek out another supplier.On price Mrs used to have a hookup down near the market but she got married and "retired" , disappearing to her village that was 433,000 crate, haven't found less than 450,000 / crate since but I haven't looked outside of Sanur.