CalifornianMovingToBali
Hi Everyone,We're moving to Bali from California. I have 3 kids under the age of 10 years old.Which international school in Bali is the very best? I'm hoping to send my kids to University in the United States once they graduate. What might be the pros and cons of the schools you've sent your kids to?Thank you!
spicyayam
Many people have the opinion that the market is overpriced. Of course if someone needs money quickly then you can get property for a good price. It's not easy to find this property unless you live here. Maybe also look into other areas in Indonesia which the government was earmarked for tourist development.
spicyayam
How long do you plan to spend in Bali? If just one year then maybe it is not a big consideration as to what school they go to. The Green School is popular of course, but doesn't suit everyone. If you are planning on staying long term then I guess you need to investigate which school is going to offer the curriculum/exams to enter a university in the United States.
sakumabali
International schools on Bali aren't cheap. Depends on the age up to 20-25.000 USD yearly per kid. A woman I knew paid 75.000 USD yearly for her 3 kids.As mentioned before I'm not a big fan of a system where kids are raised in the illusion of being superior human beings (with maids, gardeners, drivers and teachers who need to keep them happy as their parents pay for school's survival).So focus is on "entertainment" and not "education". Kids easily get into the maelstrom of being even more "superior" than other kids. Illegal Drugs (shabu or ya ba (methamphetamine) is used by at least every 2nd Indonesian professional driver) are common. Driving drunk on scooters too. Beside what the Indonesian restrictive drug policy is publicly daddy can usually bail them out of jail with his dollars (if the kids stay out of the news). it's an illusory world.I took out my kids out of Bali schools and brought them to Europe til they know how real life is...This is specially the case for (pre)adolescent kids. Kids under 10 til (let's say) 12-14 might have the time of their lives.After that it's getting difficult.
info.mary022
The best schools have a great cost but I think It doesn't matter to you if you are rich.
Markit
Get your kids a squeegee, bucket and sponge and teach them how to wash windows then at least they'll have a usable trade they can survive on in the states. If you depend upon a Balinese/Indonesia education to get your kids up to speed just check out how many cutting edge Indonesian Nobel prize owners there are. You obviously don't give a shit about your kids and clearly only see them as a hindrance in your journey of self-realization. So when they are picking your rest home don't be surprised when it looks like the gutter in South L.A. Other than that it's great here.
SamD
Get your kids a squeegee, bucket and sponge and teach them how to wash windows then at least they'll have a usable trade they can survive on in the states. If you depend upon a Balinese/Indonesia education to get your kids up to speed just check out how many cutting edge Indonesian Nobel prize owners there are.You obviously don't give a shit about your kids and clearly only see them as a hindrance in your journey of self-realization. So when they are picking your rest home don't be surprised when it looks like the gutter in South L.A.Other than that it's great here.[/QUOTE]He's on form today
harryopal
If you are here for just a year or so you might check out if your education system offers correspondence education. If that were the cast you are then having your children using relevant course matter for the US. You might employ a local teacher to supervise their studies at a fraction of the cost of an international school. I did this in Malaysia some years ago and they returned to the Australian system without any loss.At least in Australia, the private school system tends to inculcate a sense of superiority even to the extent of developing a kind of upper class nasaly twang to make it patently clear how much better they are then the common riff raff. I don't know if the same "superiority" issues are in place in the private school systems here but unless money is no object you would certainly save a considerable amount.
SamD
If you are here for just a year or so you might check out if your education system offers correspondence education. If that were the cast you are then having your children using relevant course matter for the US. You might employ a local teacher to supervise their studies at a fraction of the cost of an international school. I did this in Malaysia some years ago and they returned to the Australian system without any loss.At least in Australia, the private school system tends to inculcate a sense of superiority even to the extent of developing a kind of upper class nasaly twang to make it patently clear how much better they are then the common riff raff. I don't know if the same "superiority" issues are in place in the private school systems here but unless money is no object you would certainly save a considerable amount.[/QUOTE]Off topic, but I have had experience of both the private Australian school system (my kids don't feel superior and definitely don't have a nasally twang) and the public (I call them Indoctrination Factories where the kids are taught what to think instead of how to think). Home schooling deprives the kids of a social network and is not something I would do myself. But it is an option I suppose.If my kids were young enough I would enrol them in a National Plus school where they could learn the local language and culture. I think I have the correct term for these schools.
RedPoint
Hi Guys, new to this forum. Im interested in this question too. Thinking of moving the fam to Bali and at this stage thinking might be best to live close to the school. I emailed AIS this morning and then seem to have vacancies available.
SamD
Hi Guys, new to this forum.Im interested in this question too. Thinking of moving the fam to Bali and at this stage thinking might be best to live close to the school. I emailed AIS this morning and then seem to have vacancies available.[/QUOTE]If you have the cash, they will find a vacancy. If you do make the move then living as close as possible to the school is a good idea. Traffic can be horrendous.
RedPoint
If you have the cash, they will find a vacancy. If you do make the move then living as close as possible to the school is a good idea. Traffic can be horrendous.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that. Yes from all accounts it seems like we need to find a place close to the proposed school.
CalifornianMovingToBali
update. Been living in canggu for 2 months and kids and I absolutely love it. Academics seem ok (not as good as the 9/10 california school they went to), but all that is balanced by all the extracurricular activities they do. It's really incredible. We chose canggu community school and love it. The community is really welcoming and the teachers fantastic. Would highly recommend.
sakumabali
update. Been living in canggu for 2 months and kids and I absolutely love it.Academics seem ok (not as good as the 9/10 california school they went to), but all that is balanced by all the extracurricular activities they do. It's really incredible.We chose canggu community school and love it. The community is really welcoming and the teachers fantastic.Would highly recommend.[/QUOTE]watch out if your kids are older than 12-13. Lifestyle there n Canggu is driving w/o helmet while your are checking your phone of course (if not drunk at night).Explanation: "Just doing what the other kids did". Saw too many dead teenagers. Doing what others do is stupid :( We had this topic here since long time: In general I'd say it's ok if the parents are here for work and the kids are young or no teenagers. There are definitely better places for them then Bali streets and traffic
pantaiema
update. Been living in canggu for 2 months and kids and I absolutely love it.Academics seem ok (not as good as the 9/10 california school they went to), but all that is balanced by all the extracurricular activities they do. It's really incredible.We chose canggu community school and love it. The community is really welcoming and the teachers fantastic.Would highly recommend.[/QUOTE]Meh... Charging international fees in Indonesia? The tuition alone could support the live of 2-5 households in Indonesia. In Western countries, education at national schools is free, isn't it? If you are staying in Indonesia for a long-term, it would be better for kids to learn the local language and attend national schools.IMO this not only helps them become more tolerant and adaptable as they grow but also prevents them from staying in exclusive bubbles. The money saved on tuition could be donated to help disadvantaged children to go to school. Some international schools in Indonesia claim to be non-profits, but in reality, they are family-run businesses, with all the fees going into the family's pockets often taking advantage of tax-exempt status.Many Indonesian pupils graduating from local or national schools, who pay only a fraction of these fees, are able to compete for admission into prestigious universities globally. When it comes to Math and Science performance, it is not uncommon good national schools in Asia could easily outperform international schools worldwide.
Markit
Many Indonesian pupils graduating from local or national schools, who pay only a fraction of these fees, are able to compete for admission into prestigious universities globally. When it comes to Math and Science performance, it is not uncommon good national schools in Asia could easily outperform international schools worldwide.[/QUOTE]I'm gonna call foul on this unless you can come up with some convincing information to back this statement up. My experience with the products of such schools is basically what you'd expect from a school "system" (and I use the term loosely) where the teachers come to work or don't as and when they want but get paid, admittedly a pittance, a salary for life. The children are taught (I also use this term loosely) by rote and "understanding" is not a major component of the schooling process. I'm happy for the Indonesians with this as I see no chance or necessity for any of them to have to compete on an international scale with graduates of Harvard/Oxford/Yale/LSE/etc. I suspect most of them are happy to live on their own warm little islands in the sun without the Mercedes cars/gold jewelry/international jetting/top capitalistic life-styles/etc. Now should someone come here from the west with school aged children and want to school them for a time in local schools I always advise them to bring a squee-gee so the kids can at least learn how to clean windows for when they return to the west with their Indonesian "education " and I use this term also. loosely.
Chris A
Meh... Charging international fees in Indonesia? The tuition alone could support the live of 2-5 households in Indonesia. In Western countries, education at national schools is free, isn't it? If you are staying in Indonesia for a long-term, it would be better for kids to learn the local language and attend national schools.IMO this not only helps them become more tolerant and adaptable as they grow but also prevents them from staying in exclusive bubbles. The money saved on tuition could be donated to help disadvantaged children to go to school. Some international schools in Indonesia claim to be non-profits, but in reality, they are family-run businesses, with all the fees going into the family's pockets often taking advantage of tax-exempt status.Many Indonesian pupils graduating from local or national schools, who pay only a fraction of these fees, are able to compete for admission into prestigious universities globally. When it comes to Math and Science performance, it is not uncommon good national schools in Asia could easily outperform international schools worldwide.[/QUOTE]Wow, I don't even know where to start with your premise, but I will give it a shot....You say In Western countries, education at national schools is free, isn't it?[/QUOTE]Free, according to a socialist I suppose. In general, taxes pay for public education. You sayThe tuition alone could support the live of 2-5 households in Indonesia. [/QUOTE]Yet another socialist / globalist view. What gives you the right to tell others how to spend their money? You sayIf you are staying in Indonesia for a long-term, it would be better for kids to learn the local language and attend national schools.[/QUOTE]It might be better for you, but what gives you the right to tell others how to live. Perhaps the information in these two links might provide you a clue: [URL='https://www.datapandas.org/ranking/pisa-scores-by-country']PISA Scores[/URL][URL='https://www.datapandas.org/ranking/education-rankings-by-country']Education Rank by Country[/URL]Of course to a one world socialist / globalist, this information probably doesn't register as that equity is a far more important standard than exceptionalism or meritocracy. You say"it is not uncommon good national schools in Asia could easily outperform international schools worldwide."Lumping Asian countries together with regard to performance in education is a pretty big stretch. Again, refer to the links provided. I will close with a quote:"The secret of freedom lies in educating people, whereas the secret of tyranny is in keeping them ignorant." - Maximilien de Robespierre
pantaiema
I'm gonna call foul on this unless you can come up with some convincing information to back this statement up.My experience with the products o[B]f such schools is basically what you'd expect from a school "system" (and I use the term loosely) where the teachers come to work or don't as and when they want[/B] but get paid, admittedly a pittance, a salary for life. The children are taught (I also use this term loosely) by rote and "understanding" is not a major component of the schooling process.I'm happy for the Indonesians with this as I see no chance or necessity for any of them to have to compete on an international scale with graduates of Harvard/Oxford/Yale/LSE/etc. I suspect most of them are happy to live on their own warm little islands in the sun without the Mercedes cars/gold jewelry/international jetting/top capitalistic life-styles/etc.Now should someone come here from the west with school aged children and want to school them for a time in local schools I always advise them to bring a squee-gee so the kids can at least learn how to clean windows for when they return to the west with their Indonesian "education " and I use this term also. loosely.[/QUOTE]Indonesia has numerous schools for children, and what you said applies to those in remote villages or smaller cities. However, there are also top-tier schools, mostly located in major cities such as Jakarta, Surabaya, Medan, and Makassar. These schools are often managed by religious-based charities, churches, or local government authorities. Admission to these schools typically requires students to be exceptionally bright, talented, and/or have the financial means. It sometimes involves donation and/or bribery to secure entry. But for bribery route, beside it is illegal, only a few would be able to effort that; so the vast majority of graduates are still good.Some notable examples include:[LIST][*][B]Jakarta[/B]: SMAN 8 Jakarta, SMAS Kanisius, SMAN 2, SMA Kristen Penabur[*][B]Surabaya[/B]: SMA Katolik ST. Louis, SMAN 5, SMAN 15[/LIST]Studying abroad at top universities is a challenge for many Indonesians, as it demands both intelligent and financial resources. Many Indonesians cannot afford the high tuition and living costs to study abroad, which are beyond the reach of average families. But every year, the Indonesian government offers limited number, around 7,000 scholarships for students to study at prestigious universities worldwide, including the ones you mentioned.There is no concrete evidence that graduates from international schools (or Multi cultural schools) in Indonesia have an edge over those from Indonesian top-tier local schools when applying to prestigious universities worldwide. International school students would only gain an advantage in English (and some other languages) mastery due to daily practice and usage. While language proficiency is important but normal students study at top-tier schools, could take additional language courses to improve their foreign language proficiency. It is rare to hear (if any) of Indonesian students who graduated from multicultural. international high school schools in Indonesia be able to compete with graduates from the country's top-tier schools for scholarships to study at prestigious universities worldwide or even to study at the prestigious state universities in Indonesia. You can not compare international, multi cultural school in Indonesia with top independent schools such as Eton College, King's College School, Westminster School, etc they are not anywhere near in term of admission and the quality of graduate.Some Indonesians who graduate from local schools successfully secure scholarships from top universities, competing internationally with students from other countries. A notable example of this is the daughter-in-law of the current president. Another example of the product of Top-tier local school is the result of International Physics Olympiad (See attached)Top universities aren't limited to the US and UK; some are located in Asia, other part of Europe, Australia, and Canada. Examples include ETH Zurich, TU_Delf, Tsinghua University, the National University of Singapore (NUS), Peking University, Nanyang Technological University (NTU), the University of Tokyo, etc. These are among the institutions where the Indonesian government sends its brightest young talents to pursue higher education abroad. These students typically graduate from Indonesia's traditional top-tier local schools.The information I have provided is easily verifiable with a quick search.It is ultimately up to parents to decide where their children should go to school. If they are living and working in Western countries like those in Europe, there is little reason to send their children to Indonesia to study in a different language in a foreign country, especially when tuition in their home country is free. However, if they have immigrated to Indonesia and don't receive any educational support from their employer, enrolling their children in a local school becomes a viable option. That is just my perspective other people might have different opinion. Isn't this what many foreigners married to Indonesian citizens have been doing anyway?Higher education is different, as no Indonesian universities are ranked among the top 100 globally. Thus, it makes sense if the Indonesian government has actively supported talented students by offering funding for them to study at prestigious universities abroad. Meanwhile, in many Western countries, home students have the option of attending university with either free tuition fee or access to student loans with favourable repayment conditions.
pantaiema
Wow, I don't even know where to start with your premise, but I will give it a shot....You sayFree, according to a socialist I suppose. In general, taxes pay for public education.You sayYet another socialist / globalist view. What gives you the right to tell others how to spend their money?You sayIt might be better for you, but what gives you the right to tell others how to live. Perhaps the information in these two links might provide you a clue:[URL='https://www.datapandas.org/ranking/pisa-scores-by-country']PISA Scores[/URL][URL='https://www.datapandas.org/ranking/education-rankings-by-country']Education Rank by Country[/URL]Of course to a one world socialist / globalist, this information probably doesn't register as that equity is a far more important standard than exceptionalism or meritocracy.You say"it is not uncommon good national schools in Asia could easily outperform international schools worldwide."Lumping Asian countries together with regard to performance in education is a pretty big stretch. Again, refer to the links provided.I will close with a quote:"The secret of freedom lies in educating people, whereas the secret of tyranny is in keeping them ignorant." - Maximilien de Robespierre[/QUOTE]I have provided my comment and opinion in post #16..
Chris A
I have provided my comment and opinion in post #16[/QUOTE]
