KITAP retirement visa question

Fred2

If you want a retirement visa you see a agent, pay the money , you get the visa. Paper work/documents are like Indonesian blinkers they look good but you don't use them.Immigration said I need photo's of were we live, we took some photo's went back to the office And was told that there must be Immigration officers in the photo's.:mad:We had two officers follow us to the house, we asked the owners if it was OK for the officers to come in and look around and take photo's.After some time the officers said you don't live here:p I said we were building a new house, no problem they said and we took some photo's together. No interviews No problems 5 year finished in a month, happy days (Rp2mil)

mugwump

As a follow up, my advice for those on a retirement Kitap is to try to do the five year reporting to immigration yourself since it does not involve renewal of the underlying permit. If you're concerned about whether or not this is possible, then just pop down to immigration yourself to ask the question - don't bother with your agent who has a self-serving reason to tell you otherwise. I've been dealing with Denpasar immigration in Renon and they have been incredibly helpful and professional. While you're at it, it wouldn't hurt to ask if you can process a DIY MERP renewal as well.[/QUOTE]First of all I wish to thank you for the information you have provided concerning the 5 year retirement visa. It certainly gave us more insight into an area shrouded in mystery. In pursuing this area of concern visited the Immigration office in Renon this month and was told that even during the 5 year visa reporting of said visa I must have a sponsor (ie. agent)!My attempt here is not to doubt you, but was incapable of answering the Immigration clerk's question when she asserted that there must be a sponsor in this situation much as had been necessary with the previous 5 year annual visa? Obviously this refutes my ability to report after 5 years solely by myself.If she misstated I will understand, but the situation of paying outlandish fees seems to be alive and functioning according to this information.If you can further enlighten please do so.Thanks

Mark

Actually, all foreigners staying in Indonesia, other than tourists on the 30 day entry pass or VOA, require a sponsor. In the case of a spouse-sponsored Kitas or Kitap, the sponsor is obviously the Indonesian spouse. For retirement visa holders, my understanding is that an agent is required to act as the sponsor for the duration of the foreigners stay. However, once you hold a five year KItap, there is no reporting requirement. You only have to get a re-entry permit (MERP) every two years. Upon the expiry of your first five year Kitap, you are then eligible for an 'unlimited duration' Kitap, during which you only have to report to immigration every five years thereafter (with no fee payable to the Indonesian government).My point in the earlier post questioned if a sponsor/agent had to do the reporting every five years or could it be done by the individual visa holder themselves? Based on what I have read in this thread, it seems that agents are keenly interested in a consistent cash flow even if they don't have to do much work (other than act as the sponsor, which to be fair does in fact carry some potential financial responsibility). In any event, the admin fee of Rp. 5 million quoted in post #6 for reporting every five years during the unlimited Kitap doesn't seem like a lot given that the sponsor/agent is still 'on the hook' financially regarding the sponsorship so long as the retiree resides in Indonesia. What I find appalling, however, is the agent price of Rp. 70 million for the unlimited Kitap where the official government fee is around Rp. 10 million. In the UK they would say that this is taking the piss.

mugwump

I did it 3 years ago and then it was 70,000,000[/QUOTE]Your situation makes you the ideal person to ask the question concerning the two year MERP provision as my understanding is that beyond two years there is no such provision in the five year retirement visa. That being the case what happens if you need (or wish) to take a trip away from Indonesia?Having read that the RI just hasn't provided for that provision yet seems a bit shaky for planning into the future.Since you are in your third year what is your alternative?Thanks

lumumba

I post this yesterday but i can't see it anywhere so i am posting againgREAD THE BOLD WRITING UPGADEING KITAP to UN-LIMITED KITAP.[B]The first year would be given KITAP/5-years and MERP/ 2-years.[/B]Once the 2-years MERP - over than apply for another 2-years MERP and the last 1-year MERP (if necessarily), certainly these are with cost...[B]Based on the approval by DirGenIm (Directorate General of Immigration) another 5-years KITAP would be issued.Soundly there is a cost but for administraion fee[/B].[B]Cost TBA - since until today no one had extended its un-limited KITAP.[/B]Document required are :1. please make KK and KTP.2. original passport3. original / on-line health insurance4. original / on-line the latest 2 months of Bank Account5. original house contract and copy ID-card owner of house in case your house is yours, please provide house certificate / agreement with an Indonesian nominee.6. original a statement letter of hiring Indonesian staff and copy ID-card.7. new photographs size 3 x4 cm / red-color background / 4 pcs.

mugwump

lumumba

If I understand this correctly it means that after the 1st. 2 year MERP, it is possible to apply for another 2 year MERP. Upon doing this do you again need a sponsor, or is that only required at the end of the 5 year visa?Certainly this can't be a unique situation, and there are others out there who have gone through this. So what is the answer?[/QUOTE]After 2 years you pay again if you need MERPBut the issue is that permanent should be permanent and this is it, after you pay you should not pay anymore but they keep asking for money ( Soundly there is a cost but for administraion fee.Cost TBA - since until today no one had extended its un-limited KITAP )Also issue for tge first 5 years and then after another 5 years For me is all bullshit, permanent is permanent like this is almost like before Not permanent at all if eveey 5 years will be issue Makes me sick

lumumba

After 2 years you pay again if you need MERPBut the issue is that permanent should be permanent and this is it, after you pay you should not pay anymore but they keep asking for money (Soundly there is a cost but for administraion fee.Cost TBA - since until today no one had extended its un-limited KITAP )Also issue for tge first 5 years and then after another 5 yearsFor me is all bullshit, permanent is permanent like this is almost like beforeNot permanent at all if eveey 5 years will be issueMakes me sick[/QUOTE]What the hell do you extend if is permanent ??? I also don't know any other country where do you have to pay go out and back in

Juggler

Ok people can I please get something straight as iam more than a little confused?with a retirement kitap is the initial cost of the kitap a yearly cost ie. every yearly renewal the same fee payable..

mugwump

Ok people can I please get something straight as iam more than a little confused?with a retirement kitap is the initial cost of the kitap a yearly cost ie. every yearly renewal the same fee payable..[/QUOTE]According to my understanding there is a one time payment for the 5 year renewable permanent visa. The multiple entry re-entry visa is good for two years. What is unclear is whether the MERV is available again after the first 2 year period has expired? My agent has stated that area is as yet undecided. Others think it is available but carries a fee.If that is not clearly determined what happens if the retiree wishes to leave the country after that period?I have implored others who presently have the 5 yr. permanent visa and are members of this forum to provide what they know, but to date no one has come forth. A good question is if leaving after the initial 2 year MERV has expired what is your fate if you can't have another 2 year MERV available?

Fred2

" The multiple entry re-entry visa is good for two years " This is not a visa it is a permit to exit and enter the country on your Visa.You renew your MERP every 2 years.

Mark

" The multiple entry re-entry visa is good for two years "This is not a visa it is a permit to exit and enter the country on your Visa.You renew your MERP every 2 years.[/QUOTE]Correct, and the price (ie fee payable to immigration) is Rp. 1.750.000 for a two year permit, both initially and upon renewal. Also, note that if one leaves Indonesia without a valid re-entry permit, then the Kitap is in effect cancelled and no longer valid upon re-entry.

mugwump

Thanks guys that clears up a lot.

JudyG

Fred2

My wife is Indonesian so I don't pay the high price for an agent. You need to look for a agent in your area and ring all of them $$$$.

JudyG

My wife is Indonesian so I don't pay the high price for an agent. You need to look for a agent in your area and ring all of them $$$$.[/QUOTE]Okiedokie thanks Fred shall do.

Markit

There are 2 types of retirement visa 1) hard and cheap(ish), 2) easy and expensive. I voted for 2 and have used the same agent for years - visa with multi entry and exit visa comes to IDR10 million/year. He comes picks up my passport and then tells me where and when to appear at IMMI for fingerprints and pix then brings me the finished product. It's worth the lack of hassle in my humble... If you want his name and number pm me. Most of my friends use him too.

JudyG

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