banjar 'building' fees

Markit

These posts are wrong on so many levels I suspect I can't be of any more help;. If you believe as you say that these lovely people are "out to get you" because you are a foreigner then that's your take on reality and has nothing to do with mine, nothing. If you believe that in the west no one is treated similarly (or, god forbid, worse) then one can only wonder why you've chosen to abandon that Nirvana for the "wild east" and wish you a speedy return. Don't let the door hit in the ass.

Balifrog

Gember.... Even if they paid me, I wouldn't live there... My companion is not far away from there (Bangorejo). Longest I can bear it there is 10 days.

meremortal

yes, it does rather detract from the ideal dream world we wish for. they're gonna find it hard pleasing me as i only eat raw but that is the whole idea of buying a large property with fruit trees and an area to grow veg (either there or up at baturiti where my next purchase may or may not be depending on how well i'm treated at desa lahlanglinggah going forward!! heehee still laughing at your rice and noodles dish! have you tried java as my friend is from jember and she says there are not the regulations there as in bali? i know the food looks nicer!

meremortal

Balifrog wrote Gember.... Even if they paid me, I wouldn't live there... My companion is not far away from there (Bangorejo). Longest I can bear it there is 10 days.

nice to know before we go; but as i've learned in life (i live in margaret river which is meant to be the 'nicest' place in the world by most travellers/visitors; however, i've never found any one near a metaphysical conversation and altho i've been here for nigh on 25 years i can honestly say i'm not in the best place in the world. it is usually the people around one who makes a place nice. here i stayed because it had the best wave in the world!

meremortal

meremortal wrote they';

think the things you talk about relating to food are just cultural. if you've travelled a lot and stayed long periods in places you will realize everyone makes these types of mistake eg in australia they can't eat a dessert without cream and icecream (can understand if an aussie made the cake but if it's a real dessert by a european it isn't necessary to chuck on icecream/cream/custard etc but they still do it! - 45 years later! ; )

Balifrog

meremortal wrote here i stayed because it had the best wave in the world!

OK, but even then.... But hey, I am not a surfer so I don't know the feeling.

meremortal

Balifrog wrote OK, but even then.... But hey, I am not a surfer so I don't know the feeling.

dunno how highly you rate sex but surfing a north point wave (which is worth 10 x one wave at lacerations) is far far better than a night in bed with daniel craig!

Balifrog wrote OK, but even then.... But hey, I am not a surfer so I don't know the feeling.

meremortal

hello everyone, i'll dive straight in! i understand each and every village has it's own rules: i've received a letter from the banjar as i asked for this in writing via my javanese friend who lives in jember (the property is near balian beach in bali and in my friend's name). the banjar is asking for Rp15juta for what they say is building costs. i currently have my friend's cousin project managing a small renovasi and perbaiki due to white ants and coconuts falling on the roof and rodents entering the wooden buildings as i haven't yet made it to my desired retirement spot. i've owned the property since 2020 and the previous owner said they have paid the banjar for the erection of existing structures. should i pay again? has any one further information on this subject?

meremortal

meremortal wrote dunno how highly you rate sex but surfing a north point wave (which is worth 10 x one wave at lacerations) is far far better than a night in bed with daniel craig!

: ))

Markit

meremortal wrote : ))

Do I understand correctly that you are solid about coming to live in Bali? With all you've said about your present location in Oz may I as what is your motivation?

Markit

The only time I've been touched up for "building costs" it was for road improvement to my access road and they wanted to share Idr 120 million among all the expats on this road. I respectfully declined to take part as upon buying the my land I had paid (20 million) to have my access "briefed" guanranteed by the then Kepala desa for the full time of my residence here. Disappointed they went their merry way. Now your situation sounds different or have you a description of what "building" they want you to pay for? Can't really be your own building as that is covered by the IMB (or modern equivalent) or as it sounds like a wooden building, possibly wouldn't need a building permit. Be more detailed please.

Shadrach

Markit wrote The only time I've been touched up for "building costs" it was for road improvement to my access road and they wanted to share Idr 120 million among all the expats on this road. I respectfully declined to take part as upon buying the my land I had paid (20 million) to have my access "briefed" guanranteed by the then Kepala desa for the full time of my residence here. Disappointed they went their merry way. Now your situation sounds different or have you a description of what "building" they want you to pay for? Can't really be your own building as that is covered by the IMB (or modern equivalent) or as it sounds like a wooden building, possibly wouldn't need a building permit. Be more detailed please.

Do the locals have to pay these high fees also, or is this only an expat situation?

YachtRock

Markit wrote The only time I've been touched up for "building costs" it was for road improvement to my access road and they wanted to share Idr 120 million among all the expats on this road. I respectfully declined to take part as upon buying the my land I had paid (20 million) to have my access "briefed" guanranteed by the then Kepala desa for the full time of my residence here. Disappointed they went their merry way. Now your situation sounds different or have you a description of what "building" they want you to pay for? Can't really be your own building as that is covered by the IMB (or modern equivalent) or as it sounds like a wooden building, possibly wouldn't need a building permit. Be more detailed please.

Wow Markit. You must be doing a lot of soul searching lately. I was waiting for you to really dig into this guy for the following reasons: - "the property is near balian beach in bali and in my friend's name" - " i currently have my friend's cousin project managing a small renovasi " - "i've received a letter from the banjar as i asked for this in writing via my javanese friend who lives in jember " Red flags galore and you managed to restrain yourself. Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks?

meremortal

Markit wrote The only time I've been touched up for "building costs" it was for road improvement to my access road and they wanted to share Idr 120 million among all the expats on this road. I respectfully declined to take part as upon buying the my land I had paid (20 million) to have my access "briefed" guanranteed by the then Kepala desa for the full time of my residence here. Disappointed they went their merry way. Now your situation sounds different or have you a description of what "building" they want you to pay for? Can't really be your own building as that is covered by the IMB (or modern equivalent) or as it sounds like a wooden building, possibly wouldn't need a building permit. Be more detailed please.

thanks for your quick response. the wooden structures on the property when purchased were two wooden 'villas' (with attached loos - they of course had part concrete walls) and one accompanying separate thatch and wooden dapur to serve the 'villas'. there was a garage/carport and laundry 'structure' at the top end/entrance which i've now made into a little staff house with two small bedrooms and open plan living/kitchen (same building footprint as existing and didn't move any walls as such altho i think there was two concrete walls on the carport). sorry i cannot be more precise as i haven't been on location/site. as you will know from my previous 'building experience' the first job wasn't completed altho all paid for. this included the staff house renovation (or part thereof as it turned out). the only tasks that have been completed is new thatch roof (twice!) on dapur; replace broken terracotta roof tiles on villas and gardening and clean up. wafi is currently organizing the timbers for replacement of termite damage. we've also thatched the top entry gate (maybe this is what drew attention to the property after it was left in disarray from the first builder?). AUD1.5k is a lot of money to a balinese village that hasn't even seen my footprint yet and to say they will 'block' my property (whatever that means) if i don't pay has certainly made me question whether i want to live in that village let alone own property there.

harryopal1

Meremortal ".... 9 years ago i had 4 countries/islands i picked with the prerequisites for my lifestyle. bali came up trumps every time..." The Bali of 9 years ago is not the Bali of 2024. Impossible traffic now especially near the popular surfing beaches. Suggest you make another visit before committing. Nonetheless I am happy living in Bali.

harryopal1

Balifrog wrote 30 years in the region.... One thing I learned very fast "Don't trust anybody". And that includes other foreigners !

what happens when there is a thunder clap, a great bright light in the sky, a bunch of little winged angels appear and start blowing trumpets and out of the cloud steps this bloke with a beard, long hair and a white robe and he says, "Lo and behold I have returned. Follow me for eternal life." Do you trust him?

Markit

You gotta love a club where the members think someone of 80 was snatched unexpectedly out of this life.

Markit

meremortal wrote AUD1.5k is a lot of money to a balinese village that hasn't even seen my footprint yet and to say they will 'block' my property (whatever that means) if i don't pay has certainly made me question whether i want to live in that village let alone own property there.

As I suspected it's to do with access. If you choose not to pay the 15 million, baring in mind I paid 20 15 years ago, then you can probably kiss goodbye to using this property. Your choice. If you do decide to bite the bullet get the Kepala desa to witness in writing your access rights forever or at least as long as you own the property - probably what the previous owners did too - hence your request to pay. You haven't been singled out for "special" treatment, even other Indonesians have to pay for access to their properties too.

Shadrach

meremortal wrote thanks for your quick response. the wooden structures on the property when purchased were two wooden 'villas' (with attached loos - they of course had part concrete walls) and one accompanying separate thatch and wooden dapur to serve the 'villas'. there was a garage/carport and laundry 'structure' at the top end/entrance which i've now made into a little staff house with two small bedrooms and open plan living/kitchen (same building footprint as existing and didn't move any walls as such altho i think there was two concrete walls on the carport). sorry i cannot be more precise as i haven't been on location/site. as you will know from my previous 'building experience' the first job wasn't completed altho all paid for. this included the staff house renovation (or part thereof as it turned out). the only tasks that have been completed is new thatch roof (twice!) on dapur; replace broken terracotta roof tiles on villas and gardening and clean up. wafi is currently organizing the timbers for replacement of termite damage. we've also thatched the top entry gate (maybe this is what drew attention to the property after it was left in disarray from the first builder?). AUD1.5k is a lot of money to a balinese village that hasn't even seen my footprint yet and to say they will 'block' my property (whatever that means) if i don't pay has certainly made me question whether i want to live in that village let alone own property there.

Man it sounds like they really are squeezing your balls with this one! How welcoming they are? You can be damn sure it's because you're a foreigner! I've always heard a foreigner can't own land, a motor vehicle or bike! So what the other person saying they didn't pay for road work because they had a deal with the Kepala Desa for the time they live there sounded odd to me! They must mean they payed for the house, but have it in an Indonesian name! To the best of my knowledge if a person is legally living, working, paying taxes in America they can have ownership in their name of a home, car, motorbike! And prices are the same for all people pertaining to food, supplies, equipment! They don't have a double standard to screw people from other countries. Not all foreigners are rich as the media projects and ignorant people think! If someone is sure this incorrect then please enlighten me!

meremortal

hi shadrach, i lived in south africa under apatheid regime in the early 70s. i will never ever partake in such discriminative conditions again (as i didn't during the skam although i got into trouble a few times!). i thought i'd be retiring to a harmonious lifestyle where all people have equal rights (i've been visiting bali since the seventies and surfing there every off-season at the beginning of the century, spending sometimes 9 months at a time, at a few different surf locations throughout bali/lombok and sumbawa. altho i've been told some hair-raising stories i never ever expected myself to be part of these as i get a long very well with asians (eg i speak more asian languages than i do european). being asked to pay money for a written 'building regulation' that doesn't apply to me (eg i'm detracting from the traditional lifestyle of the village when i haven't built anything!) and being told my property will be blocked before i've received any notification of this payment is rather rough. and why wasn't the payment requested when property was purchased in 2020? i've decided to put the property on the market rather than pay the banjar (hopefully this is possible ....) as i've since found out there are only 5 bule living in this district and none own their own property (I WONDER WHY???) when on the other side of the river there must be hundreds of bule owning their own homes. i still don't agree with paying the fee as they can come up with something else for me to pay again later as the building regulation they have presented in writing (since my asking) doesn't apply to me or my property. i'm very generous (having purchased two balinese land for their own use over the years); but paying for something that doesn't apply to me is a bit odd. my property doesn't have a separate road. it is on the main drag up through the village so i'm unsure it is the same situation as the markit manouvre ;). thanks for your comment.