Bureaucracies

harryopal

With our 5 lease expired and having to move, we moved 45 metres away. Troublesome enough but now the paper work. 16 documents required just to formalize the change of address plus visits to various offices. I am also making application for "permanent" Kitap. Most of the documents required had already been given when applying for Kitas and then Kitap. Applying for a permanent visa for my wife in Australia left with us with a folder about two inches thick. But at least most of the process could be done on line. Completion of on line applications here seems to be fraught with problems so we are going through the Denpasar Immigration office. However, whenever I get caught up in these processes I can't help but think of the millions of refugees around the world without documents and strugglings for residential permits that far too often take beyond 10 years to process. Pre 1924 Franz Kafka wrote tellingly about the incomprehensible nature of bureaucratic powers. Pity he is not around today to follow up on his favourite themes.

harryopal

Just received advice that our application for "permanent" residence and Merp has been completed and we can pick up our passport. Basically two months which, given that the application goes to Jakarta and we have had Ramadan, Eid and Mudik, seems not too bad. As we are living on the Island of the Gods, thanks to whichever or all of the Gods which got us through.

Markit

harryopal wrote Just received advice that our application for "permanent" residence and Merp has been completed and we can pick up our passport. Basically two months which, given that the application goes to Jakarta and we have had Ramadan, Eid and Mudik, seems not too bad. As we are living on the Island of the Gods, thanks to whichever or all of the Gods which got us through.

Could you please bullit point the process and costs? I'm on my 5 year, about half way through so what should I do and when?

Shadrach

Hey good luck Harryopal and Markit, what is Merp? I have to give my passport back to my agent this month to renew my kitas next month. This will be the third or forth time. When can I apply for kipas? I am not married

Shadrach

Hey great for you both. I have to give my passport back to my agent this month to renew my kitas next month. It seems you have to wait 5 years to apply for the kipas visa. Is this true? This will be my third renewal. I am not married and only rent a hotel room. I live on disability so no more work. Do you think I can apply later on? What would I need?

harryopal

Warga Negara Indonesia) noun1. [I]citizen of Indonesia[/I]

harryopal

Arrived at Immigration today near lunch time. Probably not good timing. Waited just under 2 hours then signed for passport, MERP and permanent Kitap card. Just report in 5 years, if we live that long (taps skull) touch wood. ![](https://balipod.com/uploads/attachments/3712-cccc509432ab3ca2123ef5058951c071.png

harryopal

Kitas is for a specific period of time. There is no multiple entry Kitas. Kitas relates to your entitlement to be in Indonesia. The MERP stamps determines you're leaving and re-entering. The MERP stamp should be in your in your passport. Rather than endlessly renewing Kitas every year better to get Kitap which is for a 5 year period.

Fred2

You should just have this stamp

AuroraB

Ok.

Padangbai Dennis wrote Wow, I definitely don't have this. Mine just says limited stay and reentry with the day it was issued and date of expiration, with the bosses name stamped below with a number like that. And the little blue stamp below you have. Does this mean I don't have the Merp? What do I have to do to get this Merp stamp also? Pay my agent money?

If you have the old style MERP stamp as shown below, you are good. ![](https://balipod.com/uploads/attachments/3716-7fdd96ec92ddefd5535c8a71ab39c3dc.png

Shadrach

AuroraB wrote Ok. If you have the old style MERP stamp as shown below, you are good. [ATTACH type="full" alt="1683624674947.png"]3716[/ATTACH]

Yes that is the one I have. Maybe when I go to renew in June they will put the new stamp on. I was just wanting to be able to come and go within that year without a glitch. Thanks for your help. I guess I n

Fred2

Tried to do a photo, Your first photo is your Kitas/Kitap, you second photo is your Re-entry permit.

Shadrach

AuroraB wrote Ok. If you have the old style MERP stamp as shown below, you are good. [ATTACH=full]3716[/ATTACH]

AuroraB wrote Ok. If you have the old style MERP stamp as shown below, you are good. [ATTACH type="full" alt="1683624674947.png"]3716[/ATTACH]

Yes this the stamp I have. I just wanted to be able to come and go multiple times within my year. Thanks for all your help. I missed class 101 for Kitas/Kitap I was behind the stadium with the girls and smoking wacky tabaky! Whuppee!

harryopal

Markit wrote Could you please bullit point the process and costs? I'm on my 5 year, about half way through so what should I do and when?

My previous KITAP was to expire on the 4th of July. My wife and I lodged a new the application about March 10 at the Jimbaran immigration offices. (No agent.) We were asked why I was applying so early and explained I might need to visit Australia and was concerned that if I returned late then there may not be time to make the new application before the existing KITAP expired. This explanation was accepted. Cost was 12Juta for "permanent" Kitap and Merp. It took 3 visits with the last one being photograph and fingerprints. Basically my WNI wife did all the paper work. As I recall, on our first visit we were given a pamphlet which details all the documents required. It all has to be presented in a folder. I make a habit of numbering each document on the top of the page and then have a covering page at the beginning of the folder showing the numbers and the name of the documents. I have seen officials going backwards and forwards through documents trying to find a particular document in an order that they have in mind. The whole process is expedited by having that covering page with numbers and names of documents. We are visiting the Jimbaran office on Monday to pick up the passport and Merp. I now have to make sure I live more than 5 years to make it worthwhile to have paid the extra for the "permanent" Kitap. I hope this covers the information you are seeking. Below is a list I had previously copied off this website but given changes that occur I would suggest best to visit an immigration office and get the printed pamphlet. Perpanjanan IMK Kitap 1 Surat Pemohonan 2 Surat Pernyataan dan jaminan 3 Surat integrasi 4 KTP Penjamin 5 KK Pejamin 6 NPWP Penjamin 7 Karti Kitap 8 Paspor WNA 9 KTP WNA 10 Buku nikah / akta nikah 11 Surat Keterangan menikah dari KBRI jika menikah di luar Indonesia. 12 Surat Keterangan menikah dari disdukcapil (Jika menikah di luar Indonesia Ajuhkan permohonan peroanjangan KITAP melalui situs http:/izintinggal-online.imigrasi.gp.id *bawa dokumen asli

harryopal

Multiple entry exit rights means you can go and return as many time as you like within the period indicated. No extra fees.

Shadrach

First I want to say. It has been a pleasure to revisit the Forum! I truly do appreciate all the helpful input over a delicate and serious situation. It shows that the forum has a future as a meeting place for all. As you all know this is not something the new comers even have a clue about. I don't know what the future brings but I am encouraged by all of your helpful words. Let's take it one day at a time and raise a glass to all, Cheers!

Balifrog

My goodness....is it that hard to understand how it works ?

Shadrach

Balifrog wrote My goodness....is it that hard to understand how it works ?

Yes it can be hard to understand. Dealing with documents and regulations is not something everyone knows what to do. That is why we help people to learn to do this. I understand now, thanks to the many friends here on the forum. When you learn to ride a bicycle you have to fall a few times before you master it.

Balifrog

Padangbai Dennis wrote Yes it can be hard to understand. Dealing with documents and regulations is not something everyone knows what to do. That is why we help people to learn to do this. I understand now, thanks to the many friends here on the forum. When you learn to ride a bicycle you have to fall a few times before you master it.

Denis, if you want to live in.some "exotic" country, you better learn and get used to "exotic" regulations..... It's not like the bicycle thing ! Mistakes can be expensive and complicated to correct. All the best.

harryopal

Padangbai Dennis wrote Hey great for you both. I have to give my passport back to my agent this month to renew my kitas next month. It seems you have to wait 5 years to apply for the kipas visa. Is this true? This will be my third renewal. I am not married and only rent a hotel room. I live on disability so no more work. Do you think I can apply later on? What would I need?

Dennis, I am pretty sure you can apply for KITAP as soon as you have KITAS and you do not have to wait 5 years. However, I have KITAP sponsored by my WNI wife. Who has been your sponsor? Perhaps your agent who has a vested interest renewing KITAS but I am not quite sure about the rules if you are sponsored by an agent. It seems once you are with an agent you have to keep using the same agent and they can pretty well charge what they want. Hopefully someone else who has used an agent can you give you more reliable advice.