chintia
I think its nothing wrong if somebody had a planning to move to Bali as my mom half Balinese and half dutch ... we share those place and i am atm in australia and no one complaint about it. There is always a place for somebody, family who live to changing their life to overseas or do something to their life to be better life. So Arache.. keep your good positive thinking . as i have been live in Bali whilst younger there is always opportunity to make a living in Bali . reach your dream and go for it :)
chintia
It is not fair if you jump to conclusion regarding Balinese life style and its suitability for others people intending to move to this beautiful country Balinese people friendly and happy. If you compare the life style in Bali and America . its like talking chalk and cheese. With all these [b]CREDIT CRISIS in USA [/b]and bring all the world economic down and whilst the value of the House in USA going down Life in Bali its pretty good at least u just retired there go get some bed and breakfast and get some monies.. deposit your monies and get some interest " term deposit " its life pretty good .. compare shopping what i had in USA i spend $200 per week for shopping ( that is ridiculous) dont mentioned the petrol in USA so expensive .. the last time in USA petrol cost $3.50 per GALON cmon if you compare with life in Bali spend (Rupiah shopping 100,000 and petrol around 8,500 a litre this is on Indonesian Rupiah ) so life its pretty good. very cheap in Bali and people more family oriented :). hope this is help Arache
mimpimanis
[quote]if you compare with life in Bali spend (Rupiah shopping 100,000[/quote]
Chintia I wish my shopping only cost Rp100,000. :lol:
Baby formula for my son costs more than that per week!
Infact we are out of it now so off to Carrefour, where my weekly shop is usually well over 1 million.
Roy
[quote]It is not fair if you jump to conclusion regarding Balinese life style and its suitability for others people intending to move to this beautiful country Balinese people friendly and happy.[/quote]
Chintia, who are you talking to?
chintia
Rupiah 100,000 to 200,000 a week in Bali or indonesia yes Mimpi manis as my self as a woman sometime my budget over the limit ..lol but Bali and other Indonesian city pretty good price for living . if i Compare when me and hubby live in Usa prices in USA dolar ($150 to $200 per week and petrol $3.50 a galon that was expensive living ).
mosaic
from a fellow Canuck to another I would support a Canadian style pub serving poutine,Molson Canadian and televising Hockey games eh. Start a Tim Hortons in and around Kuta. My dad move to Bali four yrs ago and loves his life as an expat. If you feel passionately enough about making a go in regards to supporting yourself in Bali I am sure you can succeed.
BaliLife
[quote]its like talking chalk and cheese[/quote]
:lol: chintia, you sound very sweet and all, but most of the time I can't tell if you're talking chalk, cheese, chopliver or chocolate.. are you for real? Or are you an imaginary character that has crept into my mind as a result of overdosing on this forum?
PS - we get that your mom is 1/2 balinese, 1/2 dutch - if I missed it the first time you posted it, I definitely picked it up by the 8th time you posted it..
Ct
chintia
yes that what my hubby told me as well i am sweet and all glorious words which i am so grateful and thanks everyday that I have beautiful and handsome hubby . by the way as i am a mixed kids from multicultural grand parents and know what the cost living in some country's i dont mind sharing what I have been trough day to day basis .
BaliLife
:-) where abouts are you in australia? We have lots of indo family & friends in perth and some in sydney.. One of my wifes tantes is 1/2 dutch, 1/2 indo - just moved to sydney from perth.. Indo community in australia is very tight-knit, which is nice..
Btw, premium petrol is currently 6000/litre, with pertamax aroung the 10500/litre mark..
Ct
Arache
Hi Folks,
We could compare this thread to a night of drinks around a table (maybe in a Canadian Pub, eh!?) with everyone expressing their opinion, and I am receptive to all of these, Thanks!
I understand Roy's advices and know the issues he mentions for having seen good people with good ideas face problems directly linked to doing business in a country where they did not know the "invisible rules and challenges"... in this case Vietnam... and fail.
But I have also seen success. I personally trust in efforts, perseverance, witt and [u]experience[/u].
I do not have a master plan to implement when I am in Bali, if anything it may be the opposite. We have been working, and playing, hard here in Vietnam and are now seeking a bit of tranquility by the sea really... Although we have planned some expense budget for our time in Bali, I would feel more comfortable if I had an actual position with a company there after deciding that yes Bali can be for us too... so we may take time to enjoy ourselves with the baby, and with activities like sea kayaking, mountain biking, sailing etc...
Saigon, or HCMC, is great and thriving. Building any type of business here is a wonderfully madening challenge and can be rewarding. I am not seeking to build another one anywhere (just yet...)
I like the type of work I do, so ideally I would like to continue doing it in a place like Bali.
Voila,
Arache
chintia
Balilife are you asking me .if its so at the moment we live in Toorak Melbourne very lovely neighborhood and I think me and hubby love Toorak great place for sure .
chintia
Cost of living its going to be rise in Australia i spend around $300 per week only just grocery $300 x Rp 8,500 = in Rupiah 2,550,000 per week in Rupiah..so per month in Rupiah Rupiah Rupiah 10,200,000 which I think live in Bali much better of if you compare with my Cost in Australia.
Dont mentioned the cost of electricity, water and cost of Petrol we paid in here $1.65 per litre ..which in Indonesia Rupiah around Rupiah 14,025 which when i purchased my petrol around $80 Australia dolar so in Rupiah around 680,000 per week .
Compare this Cost of living and the way Bali living so In my humble Opinion Bali much cheaper living.
mimpimanis
Absolutely, it is definitely cheaper. :D
mimpimanis
[quote] chintia, you sound very sweet and all, but most of the time I can't tell if you're talking chalk, cheese, chopliver or chocolate.. are you for real? Or are you an imaginary character that has crept into my mind as a result of overdosing on this forum?[/quote]
I'm glad it's not just me :lol:
Chintia - certainly with a child it is not possible for me to live on 200,000 per week in Bali, as I said nappies and forumula alone cost more than that.
I never made it to Carrefour, actually I did but my new ATM card didnt work so back to the bank in Nusa Dua, they couldnt sort it, back to Jimbaran to get the pass book, back to the bank in Nusa Dua and I really couldnt be bothered to go back to Carrefour again so we did a mini shop in Hardys in Nusa Dua that came to over Rp600,000. Not enough for a full week.
FreoGirl
it is definately cheaper to live in Bali, if you are on a reasonable income then you can have a good life. I dont' think too many families in Bali would get by on 100,000 per week for food these days - food costs have gone up a lot.
It sure is much more expensive where I live, but income is also higher. When I'm in Indonesia I'm often asked by family/friends how much my husband earns (they want to marvel at the massive income to be had) - I don't tell them - I tell them how much he has to spend for food, power, petrol, etc. and then say 'just enough to cover that plus a bit extra to send to you'. Which is the truth.
don
Hi Arache,
My suggestion is based on need and opportunity, and would take a lot of local assistance.
Bali has many small fishing operations consisting of two or three people largely fishing from native prahus at night. They can be found on the east and west coasts epecially, and there product is either for sale locally or sent south by any variety of vehicles to markets in that location.
There is an immense problem in that by the time the fish reach market it is usually virtually devoid of flavor due to a lack of refrigeration and other basic preparation. Further more once in market it is often poorly cared for. Any seafood loses flavor sitting for hours in water. You can witness this any day in either Delta Dewata and Makro. While initially placed on ice it isn't maintained and when the ice melts the fish deteriorate.
Certainly this varies with different species. Cumi cumi (squid) hold up better than others types, but all suffer. It is saddening for me to purchase local shrimp with the quality and taste appeal of paper either in market or restaurant when I can purchase frozen shrimp from Indonesia in my local Seattle supermarket that is of excellent quality. The latter having been raised on commercial shrimp farms and flash frozen before shipment. Shrimp farms exist in East Java and Bali, but seldom is their product available for local consumptiopn.
Obviously bottom fish from colder climes are commonly more flavorful, but Bali boasts a variety of tropical species that would be delicious with proper preparation.
With tourism on the upswing and a growing expat population there would seem a good market for quality seafood. It would require increased cost which demand could support.
The answer lies in connecting with local fishermen and through education and the introduction of proper preparation (killing and cleaning quickly after catching), and providing refrigeration early and during transport. This means time and expenditure, but a pilot program could prove encouraging.
The product available now is generally of poor quality so the opportunity is there if someone wants to make the effort.
Good luck!
Don
Jimbo
Feeding 5 people takes about 100,000 per day. This is not living to a very high standard and I am the only expat eating. I am sure if you just lived on vegetables and rice you could get in down to half that price but unless you grow your own I would be surprised.
General housekeeping including food, detergents and general goods etc etc cost around 3-4 million a month. On top of that electricity, and other utilities about another 2 million/ All in all my expenses are about a 1000 dollars a month.
Take an average indonesian family for the above but not including rent, fuel, transport etc and I guess 2 million Rp would be possible but it would be a pretty poor standard of living.
Arache
Thanks to the contributors,
Throughout the various forums I found good and relevant info.
Anyone needing info about Vietnam, dont hesitate...
Cheers,
Arache
borutdoles
Hi,
I am Slovenian citizen who is seriously considering moving to Bali later this year and that is why I am addressing this forum users to learn more about possibility to run different businesses in Bali.
My idea is to:
1. get involved in a business relationship/partnership/cooperation with someone who already has an established business in Bali, local, regional or international.
Could be running a small hotel, guesthouse, restaurant, other small outlets.
or
doing export/import business with Balinese products.
Is there a complicated procedure to get working visa in Bali?
What is the cost of living? Different depending on locality?
Borut
gilbert de jong
Hi Borutdoles,
welcome to the forum.
All your questions are very understandable, however they are harder to answer them.
I'll try my best, working from the bottom up.
Cost of living, is depended on location and lifestyle...meaning where on Bali, in what kind of living accomodation, and habits like what you prefer to drink and eat.
For obtaining a workvisa, one has to be employed by a company, be it an Indonesian company, or a non Indoensian company with a base of operations here. That company would be your so called 'sponsor'.
Depending on the level of commitment(how much money you are willing to invest), one can certainly invest/become a partner, in the by you named possibilities. By finding a company which already is operating, you've also found that employer to sponsor your workvisa. Btw, you can not jump from one employer to the next with the same visa.
You can also choose to set up an PMA. By doing so, you will not have to find an employer/business who sponsors you.
I am not sure how this legally all works, but there are other members, who can explain it in detail to you. I do know, it's quite a complicated procedure if one chooses do it all them self, but there are companies who can handle the paperwork for you.One link is listed below the page, Bali IDE.
I wish you all the luck and succes for the future.
Friendly greetings...........Gilbert.
PS: maybe you can come for a holiday first on a touristvisa, and check your possibilities out when you are here. My humble opinion is that that would be the smartest thing to do.
