Guttering (what works and what doesnt)

Markit

Have no fecking clue what you are on about. Pictures speak 1000 words, use them instead heh? Plastic piping is an eyesore - to be useful in the downpours you are talking about would have to be about 20cm. Metal piping lasts about 2 years (if you are lucky)

Fred2

You can cut the wedges from wood and screw them to the facia. I only fit gutting above walk ways.

britoo

Fred2 wrote You can cut the wedges from wood and screw them to the facia. I only fit gutting above walk ways.

Thanks Fred, I kind of figured that this was the most probable solution but good to know and not find I have hired a guy to make them only to find they are 2k each in the hardware store. Like you I intened to only apply guttering where there is a valid need.

britoo

The current deluge reminds me ........... Anyone have any inside knowledge / wisdom on how to properly install guttering - that works - onto a fairly ornate Balanise style roof with sloping curved carved facia. Possibly more importantly, anyone have any tips on what not to have done? I have universally experienced only poor quality from tradespersons I have hired thus far and can see a poor installation having the ability to cause considerable damage to what appears to be a mature (decades old) well installed waterproof tiled (on wood beam) roof. Cutting to the chase, it's the installation onto the sloped curved carved facia that I see as the unknown quantity (rightly or wrongly). 1. Is it as simple as going to the hardware store and getting a pre-made shaped wedge / adaptor to create a sturdy plumb mounting surface? 2. Do I need the tradesman to make these (adaptors) bespoke on account of the facia shapes being hand made? 3. Do I need to remove and replace the facia entirely with something more sturdy and plumb to have any chance of making a quality lasting working solution? 4. Am I barking up the wrong tre entirely and I need to do something entirely differently? Getting a crate of Bintang doesnt count. 5. Any other words of wisdom? - keep it PG please 6. Am I totally overthinking this? Before I am told its simply unBalanise to do this - I do understand that the tradition here is not to use guttering but to let the water fall and get back into the land as quickly as possible and I have no issue with this and tend to agree the aesthetic of guttering does detract from the the ornate Balanise craftsmanship that goes into even the construction of a modest roof. That said. . . . there are three huge plusses to doing this: 1. It will stop the curtain of water that falls on our heads when we enter the building from the West 2. It will stop the waterfall of water that falls with some velocity onto the neighbours downward sloping orchard land below us which though planted is likeley suceptible to soil errosion (That will be bad for us further up the steep hill in the long run) 3. The inside join of the L shaped roof comes with a spout which pours rainwater onto the paved patio below with sufficient force to eventually shatter the tiles over a season or two. Not ideal. Cheers in advance

britoo

Have no fecking clue what you are on about. Pictures speak 1000 words, use them instead heh? Plastic piping is an eyesore - to be useful in the downpours you are talking about would have to be about 20cm. Metal piping lasts about 2 years (if you are lucky)

OK Markit I'll bite though something tells me this is this is more for your amusement than my edification. It's a quiet morning! Thanks for the intel on the metal rather than plastic and the sizing guidance. Thats usable and helpful, though a 2 year lifespan is disappointing. I know it rains here but it aint raining bricks - unless Agung's upset. This is more or less how its done back home or close enough anyway. This image isn't mine, its linked here. [ IMAGE IS NOT PERMITTED TO REPOST - ILL TRY TO FIND ONE COPYRIGHT FREE] You may notice that the roof rafter is cut to a vertical edge (its plumb) at the end and that the void under the overhang is closed off by a sofit. Also the shingles/tiles just overhang the edge by a small amount. Interestingly this forms a closed box section structure - well known for its rigidity and strength - think box frame ladder chasis on old jeeps etc I know jack about building and guttering but a distant memory of my O-level in physics tells me that the heavy water filled gutter attached to the fascia by a horizontal bracket will create a turning moment ( force times perpendicular distance) which as a horizontal force will be resisted by the sofit and the rafter under compression. Simples init! This is what my and I think many Balanise rooflines look like. [ATTACH type="full" alt="Gutter0.cleaned.jpg"]3534[/ATTACH] Using the vertical white column edge to guide your eye, youll notice that the facia (and rafter edge) is at quite an extreme angle probably 45 degrees sloping inwards. Guttering attached directly to that would be pointing downwards at 45 degress and would be useless. I'll ignore the extended "skirt" as I doubt this is load bearing. You'll note the tiles overhang significantly which together with the need to use larger guttering as you suggest pushes the centre of mass out and will amplify the turning moment that wants to tear the facia and rip the nails out. You''ll note theres no sofit - by peering into the shadows - so this is'nt a stong closed box section. It's much weaker. This along with the very steep roofline provides very little resistance to the horizontal forces hence perhaps the short lifespan you refer to or perhaps thts just the quality of the materials. I think Fred has answered my question mostly but to be honest I would want to see closer to a 10 year lifespan ideally rather than 2.

Markit

britoo wrote OK Markit I'll bite though something tells me this is this is more for your amusement than my edification. It's a quiet morning!

If you know people that look at guttering for "amusement" something tells me we are not gonna be drinking buds. That said and I did try and decipher your "explanation" with pictures, unsuccessfully but one thing I can say - you sure did get a lot of roof for you money didn't you? And I see no place to hang a gutter on any of it. My advice: When in Rome, do as the Romans. Look around the neighborhood and see what they have and if you see something you like ask where they got it but I wouldn't hold out much hope. Also to bear in mind: on the places where my fascia has gotten exposed to water over the last 10 years (spatters and drips only) it's now rotten and needs replacing - not an easy job.