Australia becoming more strict with traveling overseas

Adam

Padangbai Dennis wrote Hi Adam, your right about that the Folks here will get their livelihood back when the faucets open again. But is that really a good thing to be dependent on the money from foreigners? I have talked to many locals here, and they seem to be lost without tourist dollars. I think to myself, where is the Bali people working and helping each other? I ask about this and they say ,No way will they help or open their lives to benefit others! It’s all me, me and mine. So they go on and on, trapped in the same bubble of selfishness and greed. Remember when Canngu was just a beach! Remember when above Ubud it was all rice fields! Look at what happened because of greed and the never ending lust for more and more. This crisis was a good wake up call for everyone to change the sama sama attitude, but that, it seems will never happen. So bring the money train on! And watch what happens.

Hi Dennis, I think it's easy to wax lyrical about how wonderful a place Bali would be without the tourists and how dependent Bali now is on the tourist dollar (rupiah?) but the simple fact is that (for better or worse) it contributes a huge proportion to the Balinese economy and most Balinese enjoy a lot better standard of living than a great deal of their Indonesian counterparts because of it. Want to see a version of Bali without the tourists? Theres plenty of them spread throughout Indonesia and while the people might be pleasant I can guarantee they are doing life tough and you would be bored shitless within days if you lived there. The other thing to consider of course, is a great deal of the amenity that makes life possible/easier for most expats simply wouldn't be feasible without tourist patronage and support. I really wonder just how many expats in Bali could actually handle the warts and all Bali lifestyle without all the frills and trimmings that come from a great deal of tourism influenced westernization. Not many, I reckon. I'm not saying any of this is a good thing or a bad thing, I'm just saying that it's the reality and I think it's a bit callous and selfish to celebrate the lack of tourists in Bali. And if the tourists aren't your thing, well, there's still plenty of the 'real' Bali out there to find, you just have to get off your arse and go looking.

Shadrach

harryopal wrote Coming to live in Bali is a bit like getting married "for better or worse". Or at least theoretically. If the marriage doesn't work out you can get a divorce and if Bali gets a whole lot worse we can always leave. (Or at least we can leave when the lockdowns end.)

Hey Harryopal, you are right about the marriage part. That’s why I never bothered with those silly contracts. It seems people think that getting married is a guarantee that they somewhat own the other person, and that paper makes it written in stone. Hah! Boy do they get a wake up call years later. I’ve had lots of loves, and kids, and it was all the sweetest flower when it was new, but love grows old and waxes cold, then fades away like morning dew. My kids are my best friends now, and their kids love me too. As far as leaving Bali, where in the Western world is any better? Now it’s become another conflict between the vaxxers and anti vaxxers! All the while the powers that be, sit back laugh, and count their gold! So do you really want to go back to that?

Shadrach

Adam wrote Hi Dennis, I think it's easy to wax lyrical about how wonderful a place Bali would be without the tourists and how dependent Bali now is on the tourist dollar (rupiah?) but the simple fact is that (for better or worse) it contributes a huge proportion to the Balinese economy and most Balinese enjoy a lot better standard of living than a great deal of their Indonesian counterparts because of it. Want to see a version of Bali without the tourists? Theres plenty of them spread throughout Indonesia and while the people might be pleasant I can guarantee they are doing life tough and you would be bored shitless within days if you lived there. The other thing to consider of course, is a great deal of the amenity that makes life possible/easier for most expats simply wouldn't be feasible without tourist patronage and support. I really wonder just how many expats in Bali could actually handle the warts and all Bali lifestyle without all the frills and trimmings that come from a great deal of tourism influenced westernization. Not many, I reckon. I'm not saying any of this is a good thing or a bad thing, I'm just saying that it's the reality and I think it's a bit callous and selfish to celebrate the lack of tourists in Bali. And if the tourists aren't your thing, well, there's still plenty of the 'real' Bali out there to find, you just have to get off your arse and go looking.

Very well said! I totally agree. I was not trying to condemn tourism.It definitely has made some benefits we all enjoy. I was just trying to point out the lack of cooperation and helping all here to prosper, without the dependence on tourism. It takes a community to raise a child , which a metaphor for helping everyone here helping all! As a matter of fact, I do live with the locals. Thanks for your input. Matur Suksama ,

Zimbo

Well, Australia DID start off a a jail.......

Zimbo

Rangi wrote Yes it is a shame. But I have to be honest, this last year and a half in Bali have been great. I will be happy for the people back in work, but personally Bali has been a much nicer place lately in my opinion.

I quite agree. tourism is easy. They have to diversify their economy.

Shadrach

Very good Jackstraw, No I don’t live in an Ivory tower, and my head is not up my ass. I am not claiming I am some Superman that is helping these folks. Or Better than others. I am just trying to help a little and see if I can do a little good. That’s all, Chill out man. Let’s all get along. Om Swastiastu!

Metter

Fred2 wrote Hey I would love to go to Indonesia but now that I have lost my Kitap I can't go. I would love to stay at Howard spring. I hope that we will get a bit more freedom if you get the jab. lockdown is really no different to my normal week, go to work , don't wear a mask because its not safe to use a mask with my safety glasses, still go shopping for food and save more money (spending more in Indonesia).

I think Australia will give greater freedom to returning travellers who have been vaccinated. Unfortunately this is likely to exclude countries that they do not trust the records, and I assume Indonesia will be one of those. Howard Springs would certainly be the place to be but it seems only repatriation flights land in NT. I am likely to visit relatives in the UK before I can get to Australia - Paranoid tossers (Australia not my relatives, they are not paranoid)

JackStraw

Adam wrote Hi Dennis, I think it's easy to wax lyrical about how wonderful a place Bali would be without the tourists and how dependent Bali now is on the tourist dollar (rupiah?) but the simple fact is that (for better or worse) it contributes a huge proportion to the Balinese economy and most Balinese enjoy a lot better standard of living than a great deal of their Indonesian counterparts because of it. Want to see a version of Bali without the tourists? Theres plenty of them spread throughout Indonesia and while the people might be pleasant I can guarantee they are doing life tough and you would be bored shitless within days if you lived there. The other thing to consider of course, is a great deal of the amenity that makes life possible/easier for most expats simply wouldn't be feasible without tourist patronage and support. I really wonder just how many expats in Bali could actually handle the warts and all Bali lifestyle without all the frills and trimmings that come from a great deal of tourism influenced westernization. Not many, I reckon. I'm not saying any of this is a good thing or a bad thing, I'm just saying that it's the reality and I think it's a bit callous and selfish to celebrate the lack of tourists in Bali. And if the tourists aren't your thing, well, there's still plenty of the 'real' Bali out there to find, you just have to get off your arse and go looking.

Hit the nail on the head Adam. I'm sick of these bule fucks complaining about what greed and money have done to Bali when these same people can be found dining in fancy cafes, shopping in gourmet grocery stores, and living in luxury villas. Practice what you preach. If you want to see what Bali was like before the money came go to Lombok or any other island east of here. Go live the dream you keep saying that money destroyed in Bali. Tourism changed the lives of millions in Bali and while we can all agree, the island is having some growing pains with sustainable growth, we can also agree that Bali wouldn't be nearly attractive for us long term expats without all the western amenities here which was payed for by those tourism dollars.

Shadrach

Whoa Jackstraw, Those are some really harsh words! But a person can live here and not eat in fancy cafes, shop at fancy grocery stores, or stay in luxury villas, and still see what monetary greed has done here. Of course I enjoy some of the amenities that tourism brought like good food, wifi, cheap homestays, and hotels, but I also work and help the locals grow gardens and buy fresh fish from the locals, and support the morning markets. when I was speaking about the problem with tourism, is not that those amenities were bad, it was that the people here don’t have an economy that can support them, without tourism. There is a huge lack of cooperation between people here, when it comes to helping and working together as Balinese without tourist. You say they are having growing pains with sustainable growth is exactly what I was saying. Sustainable growth within their own culture without tourism! If you ask a local, most will say there is no work within their own people. Yes some do find work that look for it, but many don’t Look and just give up and keep that attitude that I can’t, and not Yes I Can! .

JackStraw

Padangbai Dennis wrote Whoa Jackstraw, Those are some really harsh words! But a person can live here and not eat in fancy cafes, shop at fancy grocery stores, or stay in luxury villas, and still see what monetary greed has done here. Of course I enjoy some of the amenities that tourism brought like good food, wifi, cheap homestays, and hotels, but I also work and help the locals grow gardens and buy fresh fish from the locals, and support the morning markets. when I was speaking about the problem with tourism, is not that those amenities were bad, it was that the people here don’t have an economy that can support them, without tourism. There is a huge lack of cooperation between people here, when it comes to helping and working together as Balinese without tourist. You say they are having growing pains with sustainable growth is exactly what I was saying. Sustainable growth within their own culture without tourism! If you ask a local, most will say there is no work within their own people. Yes some do find work that look for it, but many don’t Look and just give up and keep that attitude that I can’t, and not Yes I Can! .

Well that's great Dennis but I never said I was talking about you. Now get your head out of your ass and come down from that ivory tower of yours. We get it, you're different than most bule here and support the locals blah blah blah. Do you want a trophy mate?

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