spicyayam
Just a hypothetical question. Would you consider buying a property with no public access, even if you had a notarized document from the owner of the road granting you "lifetime" access?
Markit
Yeah, why not? I'd get it counter signed by the local major/Kepala Desa and the funky IDR 6k stamp. Might also look into alternate routs to the property i.e. through jungle, across paddi fields, etc.
DenpasarHouse
Never say never . . . except in this case. There's just no way of knowing whether the agreement will be honoured.In my opinion, the Balinese make agreements/give advice on whatever the conditions are right now, not on what might happen in the future. Let's say the honest old guy you made your agreement with kicks the bucket and his prodigal son takes ownership who also happens to be a member of Laskar Bali. It's a little bit paranoid, but any situation where you have to defend an agreement as a foreigner against locals is going to be an extremely stressful experience and most probably leave you as a persona non grata.
mugwump
Just a hypothetical question. Would you consider buying a property with no public access, even if you had a notarized document from the owner of the road granting you "lifetime" access?[/QUOTE]Agree with Denpasarhouse. Have had the sad experience of not having this done properly and suffered the consequences. The access has to be properly designated and specifically located by a certified (by land office approved) surveyor, researched for correct ownership, and then signed,stamped and dated by a notaris or it won't hold up in court. Anything otherwise just won't fly, and to anyone doubting this, just be sure you have checked your documents and have had them translated not only into English but the English that is meaningful through the tortured legalese used in the particular regency where the property is located.
Markit
If you buy land then you will also have to buy the access to it. It's as legal as the documents (land certificate) for buying the land and equally enforceable. My lovely Balinese neighbors on the dirt road that leads to the house once considered it a good idea for all the Bule to pay again for access. All very friendly and "helpful" but all wanting on the dosh. When presented with the letter with counter-signature of the [U]previous[/U] Kepala Desa they all went away sadder and poorer but wiser and never returned. My bule neighbors had to stump up 120 milli each. Who knows what would happen if they wanted to take me to court? Generally speaking most here won't go that route because they don't know either what will happen.You wanna go risk free? Then go back where you came from - oh, wait that isn't risk free either, is it?
DenpasarHouse
You wanna go risk free? Then go back where you came from - oh, wait that isn't risk free either, is it?[/QUOTE]Very true. Which is why I wouldn't do it in my home country either, let alone here.
Markit
Very true. Which is why I wouldn't do it in my home country either, let alone here.[/QUOTE]What wouldn't you do, own property or buy the right-of-way? Friend life is full of risks and adventures. They are usually the same. If you choose to do without risk then you will most likely have to waive the other too.
DenpasarHouse
What wouldn't you do, own property or buy the right-of-way?[/QUOTE]I wouldn't buy property anywhere where I didn't have unrestricted access.Friend life is full of risks and adventures. They are usually the same. If you choose to do without risk then you will most likely have to waive the other too.[/QUOTE]Yes, but it's not like there's only one perfect bit of land available. There's always other options and opportunities.All it takes is some irrational bastard to get a bee in his bonnet and you've got a nightmare on your hands. It'd be a terrible experience even if everyone is on your side and you eventually win.
no.idea
I had 40 are of land in Lovina. I allowed my neighbour a 3 metre strip across the block for access to his land. He did not purchase the access from me however we had an agreement noted by a notaris..When I sold the land the new owner denied the neighbour access.
