Metter
Markit wrote
IMO that's why all the contributors in this thread sound like they should be wearing aluminum hats - and it's not your fault, there are so many "opinions", "specialists", "experts" and "influencers" (my favorite) that nobody knows who to believe or trust. I'm relying on good old common sense and "spidey sense" to get through this - oh, and lashings of Bintang.
LOL, I am a mental health nurse and have only seen a aluminium foil hat once. I agree with Markit that far too many differences of opinions - probably because there is still so much not know. Not sure if Bintang stops Covid bt hey, it's as good as any other cure right now.
spicyayam
Metter
JohnnyCool wrote
It is my [I]belief[/I] that we are all in the midst of a NME (New Mass Extinction). They've happened before and there's really nothing we can do about it now.
I hope you are wrong but "if" the vaccines don't work and "if" you can catch the virus more than once and "if" it gets worse the more you catch it then I think it may be mass extinction event. The 3 "ifs" needed are all in the realms of possibility.
Mangosalad
I am wondering how big is conspiracy theory on covid 19 in Bali. There seems to be a pretty strong belief within wellness community that covid 19 is hoax and our immune system can fight the flu without any vaccine. They also believe hate both Fauci and Bill Gates.
spicyayam
Probably many expats in Ubud. I doubt it in the local population, but perhaps many people don't the threat seriously.
tel522
I wil be first in line for a vaccine from a respectable western company , definitely not from one of the "dodgy companies" in asia.
One thing I dont wanna do is end up in one of the scary medical centers of excellence around here ,its a one way ticket for many unfortunately.
tel522
Ya , agree maybe they will license local production but at least it will be up to western standards , especially for pharma .
Markit
The biggest victim in this whole affair seems to be that all of our "Emperors are Naked". There used to be a choice of good, reliable sources of excellent, balanced and believable information - not any more!
IMO that's why all the contributors in this thread sound like they should be wearing aluminum hats - and it's not your fault, there are so many "opinions", "specialists", "experts" and "influencers" (my favorite) that nobody knows who to believe or trust. I'm relying on good old common sense and "spidey sense" to get through this - oh, and lashings of Bintang.
JackStraw
Mangosalad wrote
I am wondering how big is conspiracy theory on covid 19 in Bali. There seems to be a pretty strong belief within wellness community that covid 19 is hoax and our immune system can fight the flu without any vaccine. They also believe hate both Fauci and Bill Gates.
I think both Fauci and Bill Gates are full of shit. I also think COVID-19 is a real thing and people are dying from it. We should take it seriously but how seriously is where I tend to disagree with most people.
When comparing the statistics with regular influenza and past pandemics like The Swine Flu, I think the global reaction over Covid is absolutely absurd and in my ever so humble opinion, I believe a few choice key leaders are trying to use this opportunity to get a certain, unpopular president out of office and usher in a new generation of "Big Government" supporters favoring socialist policies.
As for the vaccine, yes a strong immune system can absolutely fight the flu without a vaccine. That much is known already. I am not a doctor by any means but from what I have read from people that are qualified to talk on the subject, viruses in this family tend to work their way throughout the population and then disappear completely without the need for a vaccine. Frankly, I'm staying far away from one especially if it's from China or backed by Bill Gates but that's just me.
Markit
Dude? Not sure what you've been smoking but I want some too.
JohnnyCool
Markit wrote
Dude? Not sure what you've been smoking but I want some too.
Don't you live in an East Bali jungle estate? Maybe one of your "little brown girls/women" could plant something?
These days here I get "stoned" from legal stuff. Bad enough. Haven't had "shrooms" in years.
I haven't tried the new legal [I]"arak steam cleaning[/I]" yet.
Haven't even tried snorting arak (meh).
How did that old song about a whiskey drinking duck go? Swim to the bottom and never come up?
I forget.
Wonder if Balinese ducks drink arak?
:rolleyes:
JohnnyCool
Metter wrote
I hope you are wrong but "if" the vaccines don't work and "if" you can catch the virus more than once and "if" it gets worse the more you catch it then I think it may be mass extinction event. The 3 "ifs" needed are all in the realms of possibility.
The historical "mass extinction events" had [B][I]nothing[/I][/B] to do with "vaccines".
Dinosaurs at one time.
Cockroaches are still here. An admirable 400 million years so far.
Longer than us mere humans.
mugwump
There is no doubt that the Easter Bunny is actually a squirrel with a bobbed tail, and those eggs are actually nuts covered with plastic shaped ovoids!
JohnnyCool wrote
The historical "mass extinction events" had [B][I]nothing[/I][/B] to do with "vaccines".
Dinosaurs at one time.
Cockroaches are still here. An admirable 400 million years so far.
Longer than us mere humans.
Gee, didn't realize until today that mass extinctions were historical! Find it hysterical!
Markit
JohnnyCool wrote
Don't you live in an East Bali jungle estate? Maybe one of your "little brown girls/women" could plant something?
:rolleyes:
Bit late in the year for them (cold) but find yourself a pile or 2 of cowshit on a nice warm morning and you will find plenty of shrooms - the locals all smile knowingly when they see me hanging around the cow poop o_O
Can't even stand the smell of arak unfortunately but Glen Morangy is a drop from the Gods and when the airlines are flying again I will indulge inshallah.
harryopal
tel522 wrote
I wil be first in line for a vaccine from a respectable western company , definitely not from one of the "dodgy companies" in asia.
One thing I dont wanna do is end up in one of the scary medical centers of excellence around here ,its a one way ticket for many unfortunately.
A western company developing a successful vaccine might well turn to Asia for mass production to lower costs and increase profits. Yours is a legitimate concern but Asian production for cheaper costs to the developer will most probably be the deciding factor. I still am mindful of the dodgy pharmaceutical products made in China but with the meltdown of relations with the West perhaps Chinese vaccines are less likely. How do you feel about Indian production as they are otherwise the biggest mass producer of vaccines?
There are already well established practices of fake medications. Great opportunities for fake vaccines as there will be such a rush and demand once a vaccine is "proven." Personally I will not voluntarily get a vaccine.
JackStraw
Markit wrote
Bit late in the year for them (cold) but find yourself a pile or 2 of cowshit on a nice warm morning and you will find plenty of shrooms - the locals all smile knowingly when they see me hanging around the cow poop o_O
Can't even stand the smell of arak unfortunately but Glen Morangy is a drop from the Gods and when the airlines are flying again I will indulge inshallah.
When's the season typically start for that? Asking for a friend of a friend's friend ;)
PERtoDPS
This is pretty much what life in Australia has also descended into (no for once I'm not drunk posting). Enjoy all your indulgences only live once right? Moved pretty far off topic in this thread indeed!
Mangosalad
JackStraw wrote
I think both Fauci and Bill Gates are full of shit. I also think COVID-19 is a real thing and people are dying from it. We should take it seriously but how seriously is where I tend to disagree with most people.
When comparing the statistics with regular influenza and past pandemics like The Swine Flu, I think the global reaction over Covid is absolutely absurd and in my ever so humble opinion, I believe a few choice key leaders are trying to use this opportunity to get a certain, unpopular president out of office and usher in a new generation of "Big Government" supporters favoring socialist policies.
As for the vaccine, yes a strong immune system can absolutely fight the flu without a vaccine. That much is known already. I am not a doctor by any means but from what I have read from people that are qualified to talk on the subject, viruses in this family tend to work their way throughout the population and then disappear completely without the need for a vaccine. Frankly, I'm staying far away from one especially if it's from China or backed by Bill Gates but that's just me.
As for the immune system can fight the flu, many wellness junkies including the famous chef Pete Evans deny that Covid exist. They think all directives coming from the government including mandatory face covering is taking away their freedom. Mind you this Pete Evans guy promote a device called Biocharger that can also heal you from the novel flu.
I don't have any problem with their aversion to vaccine but they seem to go against some random stuff. According to them, 5G towers are harmful, mainstream media is evil and big pharma companies are bad. They love David Icke and think Trump as male equivalent of Joan of Arc in our modern times. If you try to argue with them then you will be called brainwashed sheep.
JohnnyCool
[B]A “cure” for [/B][I][B]any[/B][/I][B] virus?[/B]
This one requires no testing ever again, no vaccine, no further propaganda or conspiracy agendas necessary, masks, social distancing, contact tracing (with [I]some[/I] limits[COLOR=rgb(226, 80, 65)][B]*[/B][/COLOR]), border lock-downs, sanitizers, temperature checks,
toilet paper hoarding, and basically “free”…
[I][B]Got your attention?[/B][/I] Can’t think of what it is?
It’s called [B]ΣµD-∞[/B]
[I][B]Give up?[/B][/I]
Indonesian: Kematian
English: [B]Death
[COLOR=rgb(226, 80, 65)]*[/COLOR][/B] All those involved in collecting, transporting, conducting autopsies, grave diggers/crematorium staff should [I]probably[/I] be attired in proper, effective, personal protection clothing at all times, while dealing with the dead body.
Unless they want to carry the corpse’s virus back home.
On a more “serious” note, I do wonder if there have been any studies looking at transmission rates from the recently deceased to corpse handlers? And for how long (and even if), they should self-isolate for 14 or 41 days?
One issue that does bother me is what to expect [I]after[/I] this particular current pandemic does it's dirty work.
A possible world economic disaster?
On top (or underneath) what ever we stress about now, Mother or Father [B]Nature[/B] is doing its "thing".
Doesn't give a shit about "being saved".
This [I]might[/I] be bullshit on my part but I've [I]always[/I] believed that in [I]any[/I] "game", Nature [I]always[/I] plays last bat, skates the fastest...
If you're paranoid, it [I]doesn't[/I] mean that you're not being "followed".
If you [I]stay[/I] in "front", you'll have to watch your back (even become [I]more[/I] paranoid).
It is my [I]belief[/I] that we are all in the midst of a NME (New Mass Extinction). They've happened before and there's really nothing we can do about it now.
No more from me now. Think I'll reach for a whiskey or two and find a venue where I can get steamed with arak.
;)
JohnnyCool
[QUOTE]...Gee, didn't realize until today that mass extinctions were historical! Find it hysterical!
[/QUOTE]
The term "mass extinction" is possibly misleading. "Mass[B][SIZE=4]ive[/SIZE] [/B]extinction" is clearer.
It's not that [I]everything[/I] living on the planet was wiped out. It was a major "Dying Event".
The last "big"one was about 66 million years ago (no humans yet).
Past [I]causes[/I] included asteroid impacts, volcanic activity, climate changes, etc.
The "last" one (Quaternary Extinction Event) , happened between 50,000-10,000 tears ago.
Some of the big wildlife that perished might have been from humans over-hunting.
We know about ten past major events from geological records. It's unlikely that there won't be another one, or we're in the waiting period now.
That's what I call the [I]New Mass Extinction[/I]..
Hell. Scientists even have name for it.
Take your pick:
Holocene Extinction
Anthropocene Extinction
And this time, humans do have something to do with it.
Hysterical indeed.
:D
