Three day Nyepi planned from April eighteen

SamD

Thanks for this. I had heard about it but didn't realise it is yet to be made official. Personally I think even if it goes ahead it won't make much difference. They should be urging people to maintain social distancing for now and observe basic hygiene. Shutting everything down even more is pointless. The absence of tourists has done that already to a great extent. Feel very sorry for the locals depending on the tourist trade.

Mark

I have heard from a reliable source that no decision has been taken yet and that there is still uncertainty at the government level whether to allow this.

JackStraw

Yeah terrific idea. Send everyone into a panic and flood the grocery stores/traditional pasars with thousands of people. That'll surely stop the virus.

Juggler

Fortunately toilet paper is a "golden" commodity here...long live the sprayer

tel522

Juggler wrote Fortunately toilet paper is a "golden" commodity here...long live the sprayer

Fortunately iv never had a problem getting the above mentioned item , thankfully the people down here in south bali have not done the crazy shopping iv seen elsewhere .

PERtoDPS

I recently discovered Lotte Mart also, interesting about it's history didn't know that. It's a bit out of the way of "regular" Sanur, but has a lot of stuff I would have previously driven to CareFour for so thankful to know. Big and busy grocery section. I prefer Hardys for food, smaller, not busy and semi westernized but Lotte Mart has a great range.

Balifrog

PERtoDPS wrote I recently discovered Lotte Mart also, interesting about it's history didn't know that. It's a bit out of the way of "regular" Sanur, but has a lot of stuff I would have previously driven to CareFour for so thankful to know. Big and busy grocery section. I prefer Hardys for food, smaller, not busy and semi westernized but Lotte Mart has a great range.

Went at Lotte a few times. The check out is a nightmare. Extremely slow. I gave up after 2 visits. The Miss tried once more, and came home pretty winded up "never again I go in there" All Was in Carrefour this morning, very quiete and easy. My usual place is Hardys but their "stock management" (if we can it call it so..) is a disaster.

harryopal

My WNI wife says the extended Nyepi idea has been called off. Where there is a lack of capacity to supply people in need just locking everything down is potentially dangerous. The approach in Jakarta makes sense to encourage people to stay home but allow them to venture out for necessities seems the only sensible way to go. Cash for food handouts to the poor also makes sense. I'm not sure about the wisdom of closing crowded market places without ensuring there are places where necessities can be obtained but even this is dangerous if the only beneficiaries are big supermarkets while small vendors are deprived of income. Difficult times and difficult decisons.

matsaleh

Confirmation it's cancelled. https://coconuts.co/bali/news/bali-authorities-officially-cancel-plans-to-hold-nyepi-like-observance-to-curb-spread-of-covid-19/ "Following a heated polemic that’s mostly taken place online over plans to hold a Nyepi-like observance in Bali to curb the spread of COVID-19, authorities on the island today declared that the plan has been scrapped.... "

JohnnyCool

Confirmation it's cancelled. https://coconuts.co/bali/news/bali-authorities-officially-cancel-plans-to-hold-nyepi-like-observance-to-curb-spread-of-covid-19/ "Following a heated polemic that’s mostly taken place online over plans to hold a Nyepi-like observance in Bali to curb the spread of COVID-19, authorities on the island today declared that the plan has been scrapped.... "

I hope it's true. Not sure about believing messages on Facebook Bali Channels. I usually do like Coconuts' "coverage" of news. I'm remaining open-minded, go by the seat of my pants, and see what happens in the next 11 days.

spicyayam

At least internet is supposed to be available. https://coconuts.co/bali/news/bali-plans-to-hold-nyepi-like-observance-to-curb-covid-19-spread/ Bali province’s Majelis Desa Adat, or traditional village council, says there are plans to hold a Nyepi-like observance later this month as part of an effort to curb the spread of COVID-19 on the island, with the final decision set to be announced tomorrow. The council’s chief, Ida Panglingsir Agung Putra Sukahet, told Tribun yesterday that nothing has been decided for the time being, as authorities would need to hold a meeting first. “We will decide on April 8. If it’s going to happen we will issue an official circular from the traditional village council,” Agung Putra was quoted as saying.

JohnnyCool

I thought about this weeks ago in the context of what could happen during a [I]partial/total[/I] lockdown of Bali, (or a [I]total/partial[/I] one)? Aha! Would it be something like an extended Nyepi, sort of? And now this 'proposed' April 18-20 [I]quasi[/I] Nyepi (maybe, maybe not) scenario. I don't get the point or aim of 'forced' stay-at-home orders for [B]three days[/B]. Why [I]only[/I] three? Two not enough? Four too many? And 210/365 too excessive? I've asked various locals things like what do you know about this impending Nyepi-like measure? Will the airport be closed for three days? Answers: Yes, No, Maybe, I'm not sure, I don't know. With 'social distancing'. What's the [I]actual[/I] distance supposed to be? Is it 1m, 1.5m, or 2m? Anybody know for sure? Do we [I]have[/I] to wear a 'mask' or risk getting pulled over? Earlier this morning we headed off to Lotte Mart (south of Sanur). We were waiting at some traffic lights and my wife pointed out police questioning locals on motorbikes because they were sitting too close to each other (0.5m). That particular spot is also a very popular [I]bubur ayam[/I] (porridge) place. I had to turn the car stereo down to hear what my wife was telling me. What? The [I]bubur[/I] place is bankrupt? Is that some kind of Bafia operation in broad daylight? Will the cops pull me over for not wearing a 'mask'? "Sorry lieutenant. I'm just on my way to buy one. You don't happen to have one handy?" I wasn't stopped, the lights turned green and we were off to MAKRO. ([B][I]Makro[/I][/B] was the original Dutch-owned wholesale ware house/supermarket. It's now owned by the Korean Lotte group and called [B][I]Lotte Mart [/I][/B]these days[I].[/I] But many people still call it Makro.) Overall traffic so far today was relatively "quiet". I'm going to drop off a kilo of Bombay onions I scored to a friend of mine.

JackStraw

JohnnyCool wrote I thought about this weeks ago in the context of what could happen during a [I]partial/total[/I] lockdown of Bali, (or a [I]total/partial[/I] one)? Aha! Would it be something like an extended Nyepi, sort of? And now this 'proposed' April 18-20 [I]quasi[/I] Nyepi (maybe, maybe not) scenario. I don't get the point or aim of 'forced' stay-at-home orders for [B]three days[/B]. Why [I]only[/I] three? Two not enough? Four too many? And 210/365 too excessive? I've asked various locals things like what do you know about this impending Nyepi-like measure? Will the airport be closed for three days? Answers: Yes, No, Maybe, I'm not sure, I don't know. With 'social distancing'. What's the [I]actual[/I] distance supposed to be? Is it 1m, 1.5m, or 2m? Anybody know for sure? Do we [I]have[/I] to wear a 'mask' or risk getting pulled over? Earlier this morning we headed off to Lotte Mart (south of Sanur). We were waiting at some traffic lights and my wife pointed out police questioning locals on motorbikes

Just heard it's not happening. Too many logistics. Not everyone has the means to stock up on food for 3 days and Bali government doesn't seem to be bailing these poor people out anytime soon so I think we're never gonna see a lockdown in Bali and thank God for that.

JohnnyCool

JackStraw wrote Just heard it's not happening. Too many logistics. Not everyone has the means to stock up on food for 3 days and Bali government doesn't seem to be bailing these poor people out anytime soon so I think we're never gonna see a lockdown in Bali and thank God for that.

[I]Too many logistics?[/I] Thousands of 'poor people' struggle to get food for [B]one day[/B], let alone 'stock up'. I thought one of the roles of 'a good government' would be to help the most disadvantaged in the society being 'governed'. And not [I]just[/I] Indonesia/Bali, but 'big' countries like the USA and smaller ones like Australia. [I]Some[/I] countries do better than others with [I]their[/I] poorest. And I mean from a basic start, not [I]just[/I] because of a sudden epidemic or worse (like now). Guess I thought wrong all along.

[B]...Just heard it's not happening..[/B]

. I've 'heard' and keep 'hearing' conflicting versions all over the place. What to believe? A courier, (picking up a package to send to Jakarta), told me it's definitely cancelled, sort of, by what [I]he's[/I] been told. [B]The bottom line here, IMHO[/B], is that [B]nobody[/B] [I]really[/I] 'knows' for 'sure' [B]what is[/B] or [B]what's not[/B] going to ([I]maybe[/I]) 'happen'. [B]My[/B] "advice" about the [I]quasi[/I] Nyepi thing? Just [B]wai[/B]t and see what, ([I]if anything[/I]), happens (or doesn't).

JackStraw

JohnnyCool wrote [I]Too many logistics?[/I] Thousands of 'poor people' struggle to get food for [B]one day[/B], let alone 'stock up'. I thought one of the roles of 'a good government' would be to help the most disadvantaged in the society being 'governed'. And not [I]just[/I] Indonesia/Bali, but 'big' countries like the USA and smaller ones like Australia. [I]Some[/I] countries do better than others with [I]their[/I] poorest. And I mean from a basic start, not [I]just[/I] because of a sudden epidemic or worse (like now). Guess I thought wrong all along. . I've 'heard' and keep 'hearing' conflicting versions all over the place. What to believe? A courier, (picking up a package to send to Jakarta), told me it's definitely cancelled, sort of, by what [I]he's[/I] been told. [B]The bottom line here, IMHO[/B], is that [B]nobody[/B] [I]really[/I] 'knows' for 'sure' [B]what is[/B] or [B]what's not[/B] going to ([I]maybe[/I]) 'happen'. [B]My[/B] "advice" about the [I]quasi[/I] Nyepi thing? Just [B]wai[/B]t and see what, ([I]if anything[/I]), happens (or doesn't).

Yeah "good government' is an oxymoron if you ask me. As for my source on this news, it was all over various news channels on the internet so unless they spilled the beans early and released incorrect information, I'm pretty sure we're all in the clear and it's not happening.

Mark

This was perhaps the dumbest idea that I have come across living here. Thankfully it's been cancelled. Three days isolation would do nothing to stop the spread of the virus. Scientists say this would need to be a minimum period of 14 days. Also, it's obvious that on the day before and the day after this three day lockdown period the banks, supermarkets, traditional markets, etc would be absolutely packed with people, which is exactly the opposite of what the public health authorities would want. Not to mention the challenges for those living mostly day to day and the impact on businesses that are still open and trying to survive. Fortunately it seems that wiser heads prevailed, for now.

JohnnyCool

PERtoDPS wrote I recently discovered Lotte Mart also, interesting about it's history didn't know that. It's a bit out of the way of "regular" Sanur, but has a lot of stuff I would have previously driven to CareFour for so thankful to know. Big and busy grocery section. I prefer Hardys for food, smaller, not busy and semi westernized but Lotte Mart has a great range.

The 'first' commercial warehouse in Bali was on Kuta Beach in the 1850s. Set up by an astonishing Danish 'entrepreneur' named [B]Mads Lange[/B]. The history about him and his exploits in Bali is extraordinary and I'm surprised there hasn't been a movie made about his life. He's buried in a non-descript cemetery behind a popular surf shop outlet on the ByPass. Nothing really to see there, if you manage to find it. One of the worst aspects of Lotte Mart is its 'check-out system'. Six or seven 'outlets' and maybe four actually staffed. Pick one, line up behind someone in front of you with 500 boxes of noodles and stacks of other stuff, who then tries to pay with an electronic card. When it's your turn, you [I]might[/I] get someone new on the job 'training', or someone just plain lazy/too tired/couldn't care less. (This happens in many other supermarkets, too. Not just Lotte Mart.) Changing lanes in mid-stream can be problematic. (Look over there! An 'express lane', but only for 10 items. Hey, that person's got at least 30. If you tried that, you've lost your place in the lane you just left and end up waiting longer, all over again.) Trolley sizes can also confuse checkouts. You have a big one and checkout tries to cram everything in a smaller one. Oops. Need two small ones! Where's another one? In the end, it's both comical and tiring. You might be about to pass out from the heat because the air-con's inefficient (or not turned on).