bali problems

cosmos

Lokks like people in bali could have real problems because of lack of work, is there any one looking at making a foodbank for the less fortunate, maybe the expats could give towards this on a weekly basis

Mark

I think the biggest problem at this point will be getting behind in payments on cars, motorbikes and in some cases land. Like many Indonesians and others around the world, the Balinese have embraced the concept of financial leverage, which all works great until you lose your source of income..Hopefully the government will instruct the banks to suspend repos and foreclosures for a time to let people get back on their feet after this crisis is over.

Mark

JohnnyCool wrote Anybody seeing "social distancing" measures being taken [I]seriously[/I] between Balinese?

Well, out on a drive for groceries today we saw a couple of banjars having meetings with participants packed cheek by jowl, as well as a large wedding celebration taking place. So much for social distancing...

tel522

In answer to your question about the ferries from java ,I was on one returning to bali this morning , no issues ,buisness as usual , but the ferries were well below capacity ,plenty of trucks though re stocking the island I imagine .

Markit

Idul futri will really make for a good spread. I do hope they ban it but have grave doubts. If the virus pans out to be as deadly as they say it might be then Indonesians are in for some tough times. Sad really, they are all so naive...

JohnnyCool

The Balinese don't have a Plan B. Around 80% of Bali's economy is connected to tourism/hospitalty. If that "goes south", what then? Hundreds of thousands of Balinese survive on $2/day (or less). They can't compare this pandemic to, say, the Bali bombings, earthquakes, or volcanic events (Mt Agung or Lombok's Rinjani). Anybody seeing "social distancing" measures being taken [I]seriously[/I] between Balinese? It seems that to see any real signs of downturn in case numbers, (not just "flattening the curve"), at least 80% of people should self-isolate immediately. And 90% would be even better. (That's according to the best modelling techniques available, but unfortunately based on "available data" which can be sketchy. Sure, they can also and do factor that in and come up with a range of possible outcomes. None look good, and nobody can say which one "wins".) How about wearing "masks"? Many [I]are[/I] wearing "masks" but ineffective/useless ones (which have soared in price recently). Crappy ones that used to cost Rp3,000 are being flogged for Rp300,000. The worst of all this yet to come. :eek::D

JohnnyCool

Mark wrote Well, out on a drive for groceries today we saw a couple of banjars having meetings with participants packed cheek by jowl, as well as a large wedding celebration taking place. So much for social distancing...

Earlier today, a friend of mine sent me a message which had what looked like an official statement from the Balinese government. Supposedly, the stay-at-home suggestion’s been extended to March 30. I didn’t believe it but wasn’t sure. Should I go to Sindhu market (Sanur), for a few supplies, or not? Went anyway, to see. Business as usual, fewer customers, and less overall traffic. No fresh vegetables from Bedugul and supplies from East Java allegedly disrupted because Ketapang ferries to Bali have halted. (Is [I]that[/I] true?). From what I’ve been seeing, many Balinese don’t quite grasp the notion of social distancing. As if it’s something “academic” or doesn’t apply to them. Still see [I]some[/I] “large” gatherings but not as many. Supermarkets around my way still have customers and I don’t see social distancing. o_O

JohnnyCool

Idul futri will really make for a good spread. I do hope they ban it but have grave doubts. If the virus pans out to be as deadly as they say it might be then Indonesians are in for some tough times. Sad really, they are all so naive...

We're all of us in for some "tough times", (not only "naive Balinese". A ban on Idul Fitra? Good idea, but can't see how the government could impose that. Some recent modelling projections from University of Melbourne (with the researcher's own caveats). Check country-by-country data, including raw data, "detection rates", known and expected deaths, etc. Worth a look IMHO: https://benflips.shinyapps.io/nCovForecast/ Whatever the various "forecasts" are, one thing is very plain to see: Hardly any country on the planet is unaffected. And while the health aspects alone are grim enough, there are the world economic repercussions that are already happening. In spite of the Bali government's assertions that people here are social-distancing themselves, I'm not seeing it. I just returned from a small supermarket near me and it was business as usual, more or less. (Not my idea, my wife's. I didn't go in.) Along the way, we passed a popular warung makan. About 40-50 locals sitting side by side. Uh huh. :confused: or :) ? Take your pick,