harryopal With 464 prisons and detention facilities with a capacity to hold 124,006 prisoners.but, as of March 2018, over [B]240,000[/B] incarcerated it would seem these are likely to be serious incubators for COVID. Given that prison guards and other employees come and go every day these prisons represent a serious potential risk for the spread of the disease. I wonder how these realities are being addressed or perhaps the various government administrators feel so pressured in trying to cope with the general public health issues they would rather not think about prisons.
JohnnyCool You're right, it's just another aspect of how far reaching the socially disruptive consequences of the pandemic are. Many prisoners in Australia are demanding to be set free. Remains to be seen what happens with that. Then there's the Bali problem of how, or if, mass gatherings will be handled. Think usual ceremonies (also Nyepi), and cremations. Germany is making it illegal for public "gatherings" of more than two people. The UK and Ireland are closing down McDonald outlets (no great loss IMHO, but sad for the employees). Trump's USA is biting at the bit and trying to buy its way out, not realizing that a pandemic virus can't be bought. Canada is closing its border with the USA. And so it goes on.
spicyayam I would expect they are facing stricter lockdowns a show of spraying chemicals everywhere to show they are trying to do something. The release of non-violent criminals would be a nice gesture, but I guess unlikely to happen. BTW, does anyone know of any countries that have a prison exchange system with Indonesia?
harryopal Australia has exchange agreements with more than 60 countries and in 2005 Australia and Indonesia signed an exchange agreement but then differences over the Indonesian death penalty and convicted drug dealers seems to have stalled the implementation of that. It seemed for a while a deal would be done regarding Michelle Corby but that didn't eventuate and she had her sentence reduced after 9 years and serving a short probation period before returning to Australia.
JohnnyCool Indonesia and Australia signed a prisoner exchange [B]treaty[/B] in April, 2005. A "treaty" is not the same something legally enforceable. (Another example would be the Human Rights Treaty.) As [I]harryopal[/I] mentioned, look what happened when the two countries had their own interpretations during the Corby saga. [QUOTE]BTW, does anyone know of any countries that have a prison exchange system with Indonesia?[/QUOTE] I don't know apart from Australia. [I]Maybe[/I] also the USA? For what they're worth.
harryopal And this evening's news from Colombia where prisoners rioted at a crowded gaol as they feared that Covid-19 would spread rapidly if an infection occurred . 23 dead prisoners and 83 injured with 7 guards injured, two critically. Rather ominous given the overcrowding in Indonesian prisons.
SamD "The release of non-violent criminals would be a nice gesture, but I guess unlikely to happen." You mean the lowlife who broke into your house and stole your laptop and phone and TV? Or the guy who sold drugs to a 12 yo? Or the car thief who dtove your car to Banyuwangi never to be seen again? Let the poor dears out of prison? A nice gesture? For whom? Certainly not for the victims. Let them self isolate like the rest of us. If they can't then tough sh*t. No sympathy whatsoever. None. Criminals should not profit from this disaster. Can't believe the bullshit that is going on now.
Markit In actual fact the density of humans inside prisons and outside here in Indonesia isn't that different.
SamD Markit wrote In actual fact the density of humans inside prisons and outside here in Indonesia isn't that different. I suspect you meant the density of "criminals" inside and outside prison isn't that different. Probably. Sad but true.
Markit SamD wrote I suspect you meant the density of "criminals" inside and outside prison isn't that different. Probably. Sad but true. Do you really think there are so many innocent people in Indonesian jails?
SamD Markit wrote Do you really think there are so many innocent people in Indonesian jails? I see what you mean. No I don't. Density is the wrong word in this context. Replace it with "number".
Markit SamD wrote I see what you mean. No I don't. Density is the wrong word in this context. Replace it with "number". My reply to you was more "tongue in cheek" as real concern.
spicyayam https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/03/31/indonesia-to-release-30000-prisoners-early-amid-virus-concerns.html Ferdinand Tijong, who was a teacher's aide from the Neil Bantleman case was released from jail.
