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    Default Re: jobs in bali???? some help please

    so after looking on Bali IDE website I see why Jimbo you say it is expensive to set up my company....

    I know this is like beating a dead horse answering same questions over and over....But every time I search through the archives I seem to get more confused....

    Thank you for your help....

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    Default Re: jobs in bali???? some help please

    If it can be of any help for the OP or any other posters/users/guests, here is a short glossary:

    RPTKA: Rencana Penggunaan Tenaga Kerja Asing
    This is the foreign employment plan that a company should submit for acceptation to the Manpower Ministry.
    Sources to be checked (bahasa indonesia):
    Pasal 42 ke 49, Undang undang nomor 13 thun 2003 tentang ketenagakerjaan
    Keputusan Menteri nomor 228 tahun 2003 tentang tata cara pengesahan RPTKA

    DPKK: Dana Pengembangan Keahlian dan Keterampilan
    This is the US100/month mandatory fee that should be paid by any company employing a foreign worker.
    Sources to be checked (bahasa indonesia):
    Pasal 42 ke 49, Undang undang nomor 13 thun 2003 tentang ketenagakerjaan
    Pasal 6 Keputusan menteri nomor 20/MEN/III/2004 tentang tata cara memperoleh ijin memperkjakan tenaga kerja asing.

    IMTA: Izin mempekerjakan Tenaga Kerja Asing
    This is the work permit issued by the Manpower Ministry after acceptation of the RPTKA and payment of theDPKK (USD1200 for a year). It belongs to the company (and not to the employee), is valid ONLY for the post/function that has been approved and does not allow the employee to work for any other company. It is valid for the same validity than the residency permit.
    Sources to be checked (bahasa indonesia):
    Pasal 42 ke 49, Undang undang nomor 13 thun 2003 tentang ketenagakerjaan
    Keputusan menteri nomor 20/MEN/III/2004 tentang tata cara memperoleh ijin memperkjakan tenaga kerja asing.

    KITAS: Kart Ijin Tinggal Terbatas
    This is a temporary residency permit (and not a work permit or a visa as often state) which can be attributed to foreign investors, foreign workers, spouse or kids of foreign workers, foreign spouse of WNI, retired (over 55 y.o) foreigners, former indonesian citizen in the frame of repatriation, religious, researcher and students (this three last categories must match very precise conditions). The residency permit is delivered for up to 2 years, depending on the eligible category and remaining length of validity of your passport.
    Source to be checked (bahasa indonesia):
    Undang Undang nomor 9 tahun 1992 tentang keimigrasiaan
    Peraturan Menteri nomor 32 tahun 1994 and subsequent.

    KITAP: Kartu Ijin Tinggal Tetap
    This is a permanent residency permit valid for 5 years, which is attributed to certain conditions, notably to have completed a minimum of 5 years of KTAS. This the first step to a demand of naturalisation (WNI)
    Source to be checked (bahasa indonesia):
    Undang Undang nomor 9 tahun 1992 tentang keimigrasiaan
    Peraturan Menteri nomor 32 tahun 1994 and subsequent.

    Apologies to native speakers for the orthographical/grammatical mistakes. :oops:
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    Default Re: jobs in bali???? some help please

    About the Kitas:

    The residency permit is delivered for up to 2 years,
    Huh? I thought for one year and renewable every year upto a total of 5 years
    That's It !!

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    Default Re: jobs in bali???? some help please

    Huh? I thought for one year and renewable every year upto a total of 5 years
    Me too...same as the retirement visa. After 5 years, one then moves on to Kitab.

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    Default Re: jobs in bali???? some help please

    Until Mei 2005 you were right. From that date the Peraturan pemerintah nomor 18 tahun 2005 amended the old Peraturan Pemerintah 32 tahun 1994 which was regulating (among other stuff) the length of the KITAS. Two of the three articles which were amended were the article 13 and the article 37 of the PP 32/1994 and now sound:

    Pasal 13/Article 13
    Visa Tinggal Terbatas diberikan kepada orang asing untuk tinggal di wilayah Negara Republik Indonesia paling lama 2 (dua) tahun terhitung sejak tanggal diberikannya Izin Masuk di wilayah Negara Republik Indonesia.

    Meaning that VITAS are issued to foreigners in the purpose of staying in Indonesia for a maximum of two years starting from the date on entry in Indonesia.

    Pasal 37
    (1) Izin Tinggal Terbatas diberikan untuk jangka waktu paling lama 2 (dua) tahun dan dapat diperpanjang paling banyak 2 (dua) kali berturut-turut.
    (2) Setiap kali perpanjangan sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (1) diberikan paling lama 2 (dua) tahun.
    (3) Ketentuan lebih lanjut mengenai jangka waktu pemberian dan perpanjangan Izin Tinggal Terbatas sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (1) dan (2) diatur dengan Peraturan Menteri Hukum dan Hak Asasi Manusia.

    Meaning that a residency permit is given for a period of 2 years maximum and can be renewed continuously for a maximum of two times (ayat 1). Each extension will be given for 2 years (ayat 2). Furter provisions about the given period or the extensions as per ayat 1 and 2 are to be arranged by Minister's regulation (ayat 3)

    However there is only a few category of people who are given a 2 years permit (ie for eg, some foreign teachers/researchers/workers in organisation such as WTO and some investors. I don't have it handy here, but I could post it later on if anyone is interested. Definitively foreign "experts" or foreign spouses, or retired foreigners ARE NOT eligible. If you are eligible, you need to fulfill any condition, which is to have a minimum of 30 months of remaining validity on your passport (article 18 of the Permen number M.01-IZ.01.10 year 2007, amending the Permen M.01-IZ.01.10 year 1995)
    This is the latest regulation. You can download it at http://www.expat.or.id (visa pages)... if you don't mind that I quote this website :wink:

    I am not surprised that many people does not know it (many Petugas/Pejabat Imigrasi ignore it also... but this is less of a surprise), especially since it is only an amendment and that most of the "agents" website are not allways updated.
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    Default Re: jobs in bali???? some help please

    Quote Originally Posted by Roy
    Huh? I thought for one year and renewable every year upto a total of 5 years
    Me too...same as the retirement visa. After 5 years, one then moves on to Kitab.
    Hi Roy,

    As I noted in my above post, if you are here on a KITAS lansia (retirement visa), you are not eligible and this is the provisions of the Pasal 5 KepMen nomor M.04-IZ.01.02 Tahun 1998 tentang Pemberian Visa dan Izin Keimigrasian Bagi Wisatawan Lanjut Usia Mancanegara wich are still prevailing for the guidelines of your KITAS.
    FYI, it states:
    Pasal 5
    (1) Wisatawan Mancanegara Lanjut Usia sebagaimana dimaksud dalam pasal 1 ayat (2) dan pasal 5 dapat diberikan Izin Tinggal Terbatas selama 1 (satu) tahun dan diperpanjang paling banyak 5 (lima) kali dengan jangka waktu setiap perpanjangan selama 1 (satu) tahun ;
    I skipped the others ayat which are not relevant to our topic.
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    Default Re: jobs in bali???? some help please

    Wow...loads of information....But why did this thread get so complicated.... :lol:

    I understand Bali is a very complicated place to live...I get that...

    But how do all you successful ex-pats do it???...or how did you do it? I am a newbie to all of this and I am sure you have all been at this beginning point asking the same question...How??

    If you were to start from the beginning again what would you do???? Or what would you not do....lol

    I currently have no employer in Indonesia nor do I have my own company at this time, I am however married to an Indonesian citizen..

    We do plan to live there full time eventually... Until that day arrives we will work in Canada and slowly build a second life in Bali to make the transition in 2-3 years....

    What advice would you give to a young married couple Just starting out???

    Thank you all!! I appreciate any info you would be so willing to pass on...
    :D

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    Default Re: jobs in bali???? some help please

    Hi Anshu
    I am also married to an Indonesian man, and have lived on and off in Indonesia and Australia since our marriage. I've also lived as an expat in other countries.

    Over the past 5 years I've taken quite an interest in your topic, as it is a long term goal of ours to live permanently in Indonesia. What I've found is this:

    1. you have no right of abode or better chances of employment being married to a local.

    2. For many, it makes very little difference at all if you are married to a local or not when it comes to making an income in Indonesia. It can depend on who you are married to of course, Indonesia being a place of 'who you know', what your partner's business acumen is like, and some grey areas when it comes to women 'helping' their husbands in their business. But let's face it, it's hard to succeed in small business in your home country, even harder in a foreign country.

    3. Most expats make a living either by making a successful business, or by having an income source from outside of Indonesia. Most successful businesses these days require a significant capital investment. A few also have managed to create on-line businesses of one sort or another.

    4. One area of employment for expat wives of nationals is through teaching. There is some work in other areas, you could apply with the major hotel chains if you are experienced in hospitality management (how's your bahasa?), but those positions are few and far between, and often they are looking for men. If you have any talent inthe teaching area, perhaps look into doing a qualification for teaching English such as TEFL. There is plenty of competition, expecially in Bali, in this area. But if you are tenacious then you may have a chance. You might also consider living and teaching elsewhere in Indonesia.

    Visas - you can either come in via your husband on a social visa or a kitas (ikut suami). If you plan to work or start a business you come under the same visa rules as anyone else not married to a local. You CANNOT work under either the social or kitas, and don't even think about trying to get away with working on the sly. You risk being kicked out of Indonesia and banned for a period of time, as well as fines.

    I know a woman in Lombok who has her own home and has been married to a local for several years. Out of boredom as much as anything else, recently she started helping one of the locals in a nasi warung. She was silly enough to accept free food and Rp10,000 per day for her help. A jealous local dobbed her into the authorities and she was kicked out of Indonesia.

    The issue of how to make an income if you want to live in Indonesia with your spouse is a really big challenge for many mixed marriage couples. It is generally unlikely that our husbands can make enough to support us in a lifestyle we would find acceptable. I'm not high maintenance by any means, but I couldn't live like a local - I've been used to comforts that I consider essential - such as decent health care, and a few western comforts.

    If you also have to find money for international school for your kids, it is even harder.

    I'm sorry if my post sounds like all bad news, but I also understand how frustrating it is to try and understand how to go about what you want to do. It is so hard to get sensible, clear information when it comes to many things Indonesian. Unfortunately, the reality is that what you are planning is not an easy path.

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    Default Re: jobs in bali???? some help please

    Thank you FreoGirl for taking the time to write such detailed information. :)
    Some news is new news and some are things I am slowly discovering every time I go back to Bali and through all the great info on websites like this one.. :D

    I am not discouraged as I am a realist and know that the life I want to live will come with its bumps in the road...

    Love the information...keep it coming if anyone thinks of important tid bits they care to share.... :D

    Om Shanti shanti

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