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Opening a small bar in Kuta.
Good day to everybody!
I've read some topics here and really liked the friendly atmosphere. So I'm here for your kind advise, some facts and maybe some personal experience you could share with me!
I want to open a small bar in Kuta like all those cute places on Benesari street or on Poppies Lane.
I know "small" may sound a 'lil bit uncertain. For example, you can keep in mind a place called 'Love Cinta'. It's near Love Buzz. So if there's anybody out there in Kuta you can see with your own eyes what size I'm talking about. Don't get me wrong it's not an advertisement! Not at all.I just want to be exact because as I know prices for rent differ drastically depending on size.
So how much could it be to rent a place like that per year? I was told it's gonna be about 5-6000$ per year. Is this correct?
What about electricity? I'm not gonna serve food, just snacks. Salty peanuts, potato chips maybe sandwiches. So there's no kitchen in my plan. Or maybe all bills for electricity depend only on overall floor area?
Staff salary. I was told that as for barman 100$ in month is a very good salary, is it right? What about other staff? I dont mind to clean my place with my own hands so I'm not sure whether I'll be in need of maid or not. Is there anybody else I could find myself in desperate need of?
What about alcohol? I guess it's a pretty important question as it's gonna be the main consumable. Prices? License for selling? Sources? Any info will be greatly appreciated
Do I need any licenses or something like that? Or I just need to pay rent and do whatever I want with that property? Open a library, spa, bar - anything?
Will 20-25000$ be enough for first couple of years for all costs?
If I forgot to mention and include anything, please, don't hesitate my friends. Any information is vital for me
Thanks in advance for any information!
Hello,
I think your prices are at least 4-5 years old, Poppies is expensive, I heard they're renting these shoeboxes for 80-100 million a year...evth getting more expensive in Indo as well, so 100 $ (860.000 Rupees) will not make a guy working fulltime very happy...
Also you didn't mention a visa. Without a working permit you can't do any kind of work in Indonesia. Yes you need permits to run a bar/restaurant. You might want to consider going into a partnership with a local. It's not going to be easy to get back whatever money you put into the business. Best of luck, wil certainly need it
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will sit in a boat drinking beer all day.
I am glad you have asked before blundering in. I give you full points for that.
So may people come to Bali, open a business and fail very quickly. I could not longer even keep a tally of the number of times I have seen these type of places fail.
Numerous folk come to Bali with the "rosey" vision of opening a bar.
Let us look at simplified figures.
If you lease the bar for 80 million rupiah a year this will equate to 1,538,500 per week.
You are buying Bintang at 10,000 per bottle and selling at 18,000 each.
At a profit of 8,000 per bottle you have to sell about 192 beers per week,
It takes a lot of work to build up a client base that will allow you to do this on a weekly basis.
This is only to allow you to get your lease money back.
You have not yet paid for water, electricity, wages, stock loss, tables, chairs, refrigerators or money to the local Banjar for security. You will also have to pay for your visa and possibly a flight to Singapore every 6 months.
Be aware if you are found cleaning your own bar you will be fined, imprisoned and deported.
More importantly you have not yet got somewhere to live or have any money to buy food.
To sell liquor other than beer or local drinks you will need a liquor licence. Heaven forbid....this is when you will start to cry and pull your hair out.
To get a liquor licence you must have an IMB (building licence) for the building you are operating from. When it is established that one of these does not exist, you will have to get one. There goes 20,000,000 in architect and licencing fees. Now you can move onto the liquor licence which will cost another 40,000,000 and about 18 months of frustration to obtain.
Meanwhile the liquor police will possibly raid your premises ans confiscate bottles as they see fit.
Remember you are a foreigner opening up a business that is in opposition to some of your local neighbours.
If you are still thinking of going ahead with the idea please feel free to PM me and I will happily have a chat with you.
And no.idea would know....he drinks 192 bintangs himself each week
Ka-bammm!!
The sound of exploding dreams.
Why does the entire world think that opening a bar/restaurant is and easy option? On top of the bother with all you've said noidea - it's fecking hard work and long hours for shitty pay.
Nothing but problems!
Holly Molly...looks like I was wearing pink glasses for the last few months since I've been there last time. Thank you all guys.
It's weird 'cause those amounts I was talking about were not from my head. I just returned from Bali in January. Talked a lot to locals, foreigners. And I figured out the picture that way.
Saying that idea of opening bar on Bali is my dream doesn't mean that I consider it an easy matter. I don't have illusions and I'm not idealizing! I got a pretty clear vision of how hard it could and should be. But I love Bali, I want to live there, I'm sick as heck of living in my home country, so I want to make my dream come true. At least to try. If I loose, damn it was worth it!
2no.idea: I need 8 more message here and then I'll PM you! I'd like to chat with you too.
Last edited by EyeLESS; 24-04-2011 at 04:05 PM.
@eyeless: good luck but keep BOTH EYES open
@no.idea: good post!!
On a bit of health kick right now, I am down to 175 per week. MODERATION is the key word.Originally Posted by goldminer
And no.idea would know....he drinks 192 bintangs himself each week
Oops ANZAC ceremony early tomorrow, time for one more beer and then off to bed. After the ceremony, I have to organise a barbecue breakfast, two up and fund raising.
This year any money raised is going to the Kupu Kupu Foundation.
Last ANZAC day I left the Australian Consulate and went the normal way home ( I was the construction manager when we built the Consulate and therefore know the streets in that area.).
Unbeknown to me it was a "car free day" in Denpasar.
So there were scores of locals happily wandering the streets and ONE western clown driving in amongst them.
I have never met so many angry policemen in such a short time.
2no.idea when I open my place you will be more then welcome there my friend!
I got the overall point I have to increase the stakes.
My good old balinese friend told me this morning that he would be pleased to work as a barman for 2.500.000 rupiahs per months. It will be about 3500$ in a year
Rent. 8-10000$ in a year. Let's say 10000. If it is gonna be lower cool.
All other expenses including electricity, supplies etc excluding licenses. Will 7000$ be enough for it?
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