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DCC, it's up to the individual indeed. Don't worry about me, I'm fine. I'm concerned about you. I absolutely do not want you to feel depress. It's not the purpose of my posts. Please ignore them if they affect you.

I hope we don't see any pain in the streets but surely we'll see some in the Street but that's fine because we've had it so good for he last 15 years.

Regarding the subject of this thread, I expect Indonesia to do very well economically in the next 10 years by benefitting from closer links with Malaysia. You should feel good.

What are you smoking alex.. 15 years good? You're obviously a downer with little market info.. Please don't bother responding, .........."Pain in the street".. ??
Ct

<<Edited by moderator - please remain civil and no name-calling>>

Hmm, interesting thread. education, market tribulation, when is the selective theory of evolution going to kick in. well as far as education goes in bali, What everyone needs an education?, great everyone get a Phd. to work at the warung or gas station. Somebody has to "not" get an education. Like me (look at my grammer) ,,, Bali will be like singapore in a few years, gone will be the days of the rice fields, gone will be the days of the easy lifestyle of the locals. there will be time cards to punch,vacation days appointed and sick days to be accounted for. Oh dont be late more than 3 times a month Made, Ha! you will be reprimanded and possibly suspended or fired with further violations. Yep, the economy will get better and the happiness of the local people will be flushed down the toilet with it, Hooray for progress!!!

Just an after thought, people around the world that want something (education,children included) can usually find a way to obtain their desires with enough determination. In my opinion the first priority would have to be medical. Kinda hard to do anything sick or dying.

Nobody is saying that a PhD is required to work in a gas station but basic education is the cornerstone of everything including health care and the desire to improve ones life and one's children's lives.

Somebody has to "not" get an education? Who chooses who doesn't have that basic human right?

I sure as hell don't feel comfortable with that. Gone are the days of the rice fields for vast sections of Indonesian society already (been to Denpasar or Jakarta?), and gone is the mythical easy lifestyle, which was and is pretty tough for many people who live it anyway. Large parts of that lifestyle are just western fantasy.

I'm not sure how you automatically become Singapore if you offer the people a good, properly funded universal education system.

Balilife, yes, we've had it very good in the UK for the last 15 years, I don't understand what you're implying. What's your problem?

I don't understand the insults either. You should apologise.

Froggy My Man! - Have you seen Sicko?

Let's not further this discussion Alex. You'll get an apology from me the day man lands on the sun and survives.

Ct

God Bless you Balilife

You gave me a chuckle or two, Bert, with this:

It is already know for some time that people have to pay quite a lot to become a policeman, or to be able to work on a cruise ship (dream for many).

It's been like that for many years in Indonesia. I'm not sure if these next statements are fact or fiction, but I've heard that Indonesian post-men have to pay for their petrol when delivering mail and that Indonesian soldiers have to buy their own bullets for their guns! It wouldn't surprise me.

I agree, again, with SG's take on the value of education, no matter where one is. I was (pleasantly) surprised yesterday to learn that Brian May, the lead guitarist from the group formerly known as Queen, recently gained a PhD in astrophysics! He's even co-authored a recent book called something like 'BANG - Ultimate Answers About The Universe'. (Don't quote me.) There is a website and he sometimes answers questions. If there are any Patrick Moore fans out there, you'll be pleased to know that he is one of the co-authors.

For those who don't know Patrick Moore - he has been a great English populiser of astronomy for many decades. He's also been the brunt of many jokes for allegedly being one of the most boring people on the planet. Then again, he wrote the book that became the Stanley Kubrick film classic 2001: A Space Odyssey.

I'm now wondering when Sting will get his PhD for environmental studies? Bob Dylan got an honorary one from Princeton a long time ago - I'm not sure if that counts. The mind boggles - what about Keith Richard from The Rolling Stones?

I read some articles in The Jakarta Post recently (yesterday), addressing e-Learning in Indonesia. (On-line universities, etc.) Also some criticisms of SBY, the current Indonesian president.
Like, when will the government increase expenditure for education by 20%, like it promised?

Yeah - blame holdups on tsunamis, earthquakes, mud volcano disasters and all the rest...

Finally, I said that I couldn't see how anyone could be educated by this self-propagating system in which people pass exams, and teach others to pass exams, but nobody knows anything.

Richard Feynman

The economic outlook for Indonesia is inextricably tied in with the quality of education. Not everyone needs a university degree but people do need to benefit from a real education. Not one that necessarily gives them a qualification but instead what a education is supposed to give: the ability to learn. Learning how to learn is the only true value in an education.

How else are people able to make sense of the world around them? How can they study the environment in which they live and make sensible decisions? Improving the education system is certainly possible and money is not the primary limiting factor. Cuba proves that. It takes a sustained political will and a break from the culture of conformity.

allan i gree.. education's main purpose is to provide humans with the ability to learn..

ct

gree... 'agree'...