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    I'm lost what is your Question????
    Your wife cannot sponsor your for a retirement????
    Sorry Fred2

    If I now want (or have to) use my wife as my "sponsor", I have to wait for another two years?
    Which part didn't you understand?

    I'm "sorry" for rambling on too much. I was hoping for a more intelligent response. Yours doesn't qualify.
    Thanks for trying.

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    no JC, you don't have to wait to get an kitas (1 year)sponsored by your wife, and if you have proof (indonesian wedding certificate or buku nikah) of being married to her for 2 or more years, you can right away apply for the kitaP (5years)
    still some confusion within the government about how to issue a workingpermit. different department (not imigrasi) issues those.

    as for the retirement kitas it can be renewed/extended upto 5 times (totalling 6 years), and after that it should become a kitaP. One could apply for a retirement kitaP when applying for the
    third renewal/extention.

    hope this clears it up a bit.
    don't read between the lines..i think the words are clear enough...:)

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    owww you do visa runs...why??) a retirementvisa is extendable without having to leave the country.. but it makes sense you can be on your 7th one now, since when you leave the country
    you get issued a whole new retirementkitas each time..

    some of the requirements of a getting a retirement kitas involves, hiring at least one indonesian, (pembantu/sopir/whatever), spending xxx amount on renting a villa or 'owning' a villa means you pay tax on it, also health insurance is a requirement...now why they have never asked you to provide proof of doing/having the above, I don't know...why don't you ask them ;)
    don't read between the lines..i think the words are clear enough...:)

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    Sorry I couldn't understand most of your rambling
    Now comes the tricky part, you now have to prove to Immigration that you have been married for 2 years.
    If you were on a kitas sponsored by you wife & were going to renew you kitas for the third time, you have proof of you marriage.
    You can start your paper work, but you may have to get letters to prove your marriage documents are true? letters stating your marriage is registered in your country, embassy stating your marriage cert is correct etc
    have fun

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    Thank you, gilbert
    owww you do visa runs...why??) a retirementvisa is extendable without having to leave the country.. but it makes sense you can be on your 7th one now, since when you leave the country
    you get issued a whole new retirement kitas each time..
    No - I don't do visa runs - but will have to this time.

    Of course I asked about getting a KITAP several years ago. Immigration wanted me to pay for five years up-front and my official agreed it was expensive, so didn't bother.
    some of the requirements of a getting a retirement kitas involves, hiring at least one indonesian, (pembantu/sopir/whatever), spending xxx amount on renting a villa or 'owning' a villa means you pay tax on it, also health insurance is a requirement...now why they have never asked you to provide proof of doing/having the above, I don't know...why don't you ask them ;)
    That's always been a mystery to me, too, but it's true. I'm not complaining.

    My exit permit, etc, are on the way (spoke to Immigration this morning). I haven't submitted my photos yet, or a copy of my rental contract. Seems like they don't want them now (?), at least in my case. Maybe they'll ask when I go to pay.
    I've heard and read about so many different versions of the processes and "requirements" involved that it makes my head spin. Just wish everything was truly "standardised".

    And thank you, too Fred2
    Now comes the tricky part, you now have to prove to Immigration that you have been married for 2 years.
    If you were on a kitas sponsored by you wife & were going to renew you kitas for the third time, you have proof of you marriage.
    You can start your paper work, but you may have to get letters to prove your marriage documents are true? letters stating your marriage is registered in your country, embassy stating your marriage cert is correct etc
    I already have all that you mention. Had it for years!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyCool View Post
    I've heard and read about so many different versions of the processes and "requirements" involved that it makes my head spin. Just wish everything was truly "standardised".
    Don't wish too hard....you might get asked for all the requirements for a retirement visa. Can't have it both ways and I'll take the room for negotiation approach every time!

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    I was going to change to a kitap, but Immigration said it will be easier next year. I have just renewed my Kitas, price 700,000rp + 55,000 for photo, finger prints & stamp. So I will wait & see what the department of manpower comes up with next year.
    The price for the Kitap is already listed on the price board at Immigration 3,000,000rp. Immigration has this idea that westerns will just get married so they can get a 5 year visa, this is why they are checking on marriage documents + home visit + next door to make sure you are married.

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