Thread: "Rules" for Kitas and volunteering on Social Visa

Hi...I took some time to search the archives, so I actually have the probable answers to my two questions. On the other hand, there is often "theory" and "reality" when it comes to many issues, it seems, and visa stuff seems to have many varying opinions....happy to hear them all!

1) If a person has a KITAS through getting a job with a company or through making a company with an Indonesian partner and then getting the visa - Are people restricted to exactly the type of work/income their visa is processed for? For example, if a person had a visa issued for working as a chef, could they do other non-related work where and when they want to?

The answer I found was "No." The visa is specific for the work stated...

Yes/No/Maybe so?

2) Can a person do non-paid volunteer work on a social visa? If the answer is "No", then is there some kind of documentation that could/would be supplied by a charity/group that states that the person is doing volunteer work, but NOT getting paid, and possibly further stating that it is work that an Indonesian person "can't or would not likely be able to " do... (Teaching English as a native speaker, for example...)

Yes/No/Maybe so......?

Precise "rules, but also thoughts and opinions would be most welcome...

Thanks in advance....

Excellent that you searched the archives here first, Sydjapan.
I cannot help you with "Precise rules" and doubt that anybody else can on this forum.

The "answers" to your two questions, at least as far as I understand the "rules" are:

Question 1: No. And not only that, I've heard that it's important to make sure what appears even on one's business card. So, if you're employed as a chef, it shouldn't say that you're a graphic designer as well.

Question 2: Maybe. I've never really found the exact answer myself.

For example, I used to play in bands in Bali and Java, (for free), and started to worry about if I was breaking the conditions of my Sosial Budaya visa. Some suggested that it was a distinct possibility. Again, never found out for sure.

I currently live here on a Retirement Visa. The "conditions" seem to indicate that I can't do any work, voluntary or otherwise. I can play golf all day, if I want - that's OK, and so on.

When you find out more, please share your information with us.
I hope this helps you a little bit.

:D

There are a great many expats in Bali on both S/B and retirement visas that are very active in non paying volunteer work. For starters, just check the membership of any of the Bali based Rotary organizations.

Yes, Roy
Even I know that.

But is it "legal" in this country?

That's the question...

:)

I pretty much thought so, Roy. I assumed there are many people doing volunteer work and not getting paid and thereby not "bothering" anyone. To me that's the likely reality but was wondering what the odds would be of the legal rules being enforced? (Once again if those are REALLY the rules...?) It would be pretty terrible if someone was on a Social visa and had reorganized their life to live in Bali and got booted for being a volunteer... Roy, you would know perhaps, but some of the people on Social or Retirement visas who are doing volunteer work must at times be fairly high profile? That's what makes me wonder?

Obviously personality types comes into play, but I can imagine some people (myself to a degree) would be uncomfortable having to be looking over their shoulder. For example Sanurian's example of playing in a band but wondering if he would get in trouble?

About the KITAS - wow - very strict. So the question that comes up is how far do they enforce the rules? In either the Social Visa/Volunteer case or the KITAS case, would a person get a "warning" to stop the rule breaking or....?

sj

Thanks Bert - If I think about it, it would be really hard to believe that someone would get expelled from Bali for doing volunteer work. Violating a work visa would reasonably be more of a case for expulsion. Visas and violations and so on seem to be and probably always will be "case-by-case" with extenuating circumstances being considered.

Not that Japan really matters at all in this discussion but as a point of observation - it is hard to get a visa for this country, but once on one, pretty easy to do what you want...If you change jobs from your sponsored job and actually went to immigration to tell them, they don't even care to know unless your visa is expiring. With 3 year visas pretty much the norm for teachers, there are literally 1000s of people running around working wherever they want. If you leave your company the day after your visas is issued - you have 3 years! A person can have part time jobs and various jobs, as well. For clarification, this isn't a "Japan is better than Bali" paragraph - just an observation of a difference from another Asian country.

sj

About the KITAS - wow - very strict. So the question that comes up is how far do they enforce the rules?

from what i experience, see and hear, most rules are only enforced in indonesia when the enforcer can get an easy bribe - period..

i'll give you an easy example.. in surabaya it is commonly known, that police don't pull over drivers (as in employed drivers) when they're alone in the car - regardless of the violation.. they're not able to shake down a driver.. but if the boss is in the car, then they'll be pulled over for the most minor of infractions faster than you can turn your head.. it's called 'mata duit' - 'money eyes' or maybe more correctly translating to "eyes for money" and from what i've experienced it is second-nature to 'enforcers' in indonesia - police, customs / immigration, etc.. if they think they can make a buck, they'll harass you, if they don't think they can, they wont.. so given that, anythings possible - depends on what they see when they look at you.. an easy buck or not?

ct

Though I have no experience living in Bali, I have been many times and I have also read many threads about "corruption" and bribing officals and so on. I guess I'm trying to say that I don't want to turn this thread into a discussion about the possibility/morality of bribing or not bribing officials once rules have been broken, but rather, what the actual rules are? I would have no intention of working illegally with the option of bribing my way out of a situation if "caught". (Not that you were suggesting I would or should...) Ok...I admit it is a fine line because I WOULD do volunteer work on a social visa and I guess your point may be that I could be asked for money for someone to look the other way...hmmm....
sj