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Sorry Jimbo, but the reality here is simple...you don’t live in Bali...nor can you definitively offer documented evidence that your “black and white” understanding of the laws or regulations are in fact representative of the reality in which they are administered in Bali! BUT, I can!

This is not the first time you have taken your “set in stone” understanding of the reality of life in a place that you have yet to live.

Frankly, I am less than patient with your comments like,

“Remember only you are responsible for breaking the law and only you will be held accountable...the choice is yours and I offer this advice to counterbalance the rose tinted glasses Roy wears.”

Once you’ve lived here in Bali for a fraction of the years I have, you will have my ear, but in the meantime, let’s be honest, which really should mean, you haven’t ANY first hand knowledge. OK?

I don’t wear “rose tinted glasses” Jimbo, nor am I rolling on the ground and frolicking with Polda or Immigrasi. For once, you just might consider that my advice is far deeper set in a solid foundation than someone else with far less living experience in Bali...which is you.

Syd, if you join Rotary, you will have an ID card.

But in truth, you will never have to show it to any immigration officer for the simple reason that you will never be asked to explain your no income volunteer work.

It never ceases to amaze me how some folks (not currently, or ever living on Bali) are so adamant...and erroneously so, about something of which they have absolutely NO first hand knowledge. But...I guess that’s what makes a forum a forum.

Rotary is a GREAT start, and each and every one of the Bali based Rotary clubs are EXCELLENT.

Good luck with your endeavors, and your choices of what you decide to do. Giving back to Bali at least a part of what she has given you is essential, and it is the singular road to successful life on Bali.

Sorry Jimbo, but the reality here is simple...you don’t live in Bali...

Roy

You are so predicticable, I could have wrote your response myself. There is no Balinese laws only Indonesian ones so your comments about Bali alone are not valid and I have lived and worked here on and off for almost 26 years and have been involved with Visa's as at a managerial level and personal level both Kitas and private.

The best thing to be done and something we both agree on is to get the advice from the professionals. If you want the last word go for it for me it is like taking to a brick wall when it comes to you on visa's and the like where you want to apply your experience rather than the laws of the country you live in.

Roy, Jimbo.. You're both very handsome men when you argue. Your avatars transform into two masculine warriors, heading into battle. Roy, you've got a bit of the Heston thing going, and Jimbo, you're the Duke through and through..

Ct

Are you saying my name is Marion

Jimbo, I would think by now that you are acutely aware that many of the Indonesian national laws are subject to provincial interpretation and left to the high court provincial judges to execute. In Bali, you have NO idea how the chief provincial justices perform. Your 26 years of past experience in Java or Sulawesi have NO bearing on how the high court of Bali performs. NONE.

If you think I am wrong...meaning that no foreigner in Bali (and I could care less about the rest of Indonesia) could be deported from Bali because of non income producing charitable activities, then speak up and tell us your tale! What knowledge do YOU have that this has EVER happened in Bali? A rhetorical question...as the answer is none.

Hiding behind flip comments like I’m wearing rose colored glasses are not tolerated by me anymore. Frankly, if you think that your 26 years elsewhere have prepared you for life in Bali, you are also wrong, and you will soon enough learn that for yourself.

This is Bali Jimbo. It isn’t Java or Sulawesi, and if you think for a minute that things here operate in just the same manner as you think they do in Java, or Sulawesi, you are very, very wrong.

I don't live in Bali, but I have dealings there and am there every second week if not every week, it's not too different to Java Roy, in terms of the bureaucratic administration. But I'm not suggesting what you are saying is incorrect - in fact I tend to agree that there'd be no repercussions.

But Bali is as corrupt as the rest of Indonesia, business is done in the same manner, and the people have pretty much the same values. That's what I've experienced. but the Bali I experience is as a foreigner - as would be the Bali the original poster on this thread will likely experience. You live in a very traditional Balinese environment, with your wife and family, who again embrace, live and breath a traditional Balinese lifestyle - so your experience may be different. It's also a 2 sided coin, for you to suggest that Jimbo can't compare Bali to Java or Suluwesi, because he hasn't lived there full time is fine, but that means you can't say Bali is different as you've also never lived in Java or Suluwesi.. Or have you?

If you want to start peeling that onion (which probably wouldn't prove much), then really the more applicable question is, do you have more experience in Java or Suluwesi than Jimbo has in Bali..

Like I said, Bali & Java to me, in my administrative and commercial dealings, is much of a much-ness..

Ct

I’m not up for peeling any bloody onions BaliLife, and I surely am not up to having to deal with folks who don’t have a clue of the realities of life on Bali...most especially because of the simple fact that they don’t live here.

This string was started by Syd from Japan wondering if any special visa is necessary for volunteer work in Bali. I’ve answered his question...fully and accurately. In fact, as I read his latest post, he seems to be satisfied with my more than speculative answer.

In all honesty, I really don’t care one flip what you, Jimbo, or anyone else who doesn’t live here (in Bali), thinks! You obviously have NOTHING vested into being accurate!

My advice can be flushed down the toilet just as readily as anyone else’s advice. That is fine with me. I also think that intelligent folks are capable of separating the chaff from the wheat. So, for me, that’s more than good enough.

Here we go again

Roy, when it comes to these points in a thread, you start raving and ranting like an absolute child..

"Oh, you don't live here, I do..". Yes, we don't declare legal residence in Bali, does that mean that it's impossible that anyone who doesn't reside there can't challenge your posts.

Grow up!

Ct

Cant you both just give your reply to the questions as you see fit and let the OP make up his or her mind based on the information given. Seeing so many threads degenerate into an argument between grown men gets very boring!

Cant you both just give your reply to the questions as you see fit and let the OP make up his or her mind based on the information given.

The OP...Syd, has already done that (mind made up), Mimpi, just scroll back.

If you want to include me in the blame for these developing arguments, then I only ask that you re-read the entire string, start to finish.

Is that a fair request, or not?

Roy, when it comes to these points in a thread, you start raving and ranting like an absolute child.."Oh, you don't live here, I do..". Yes, we don't declare legal residence in Bali, does that mean that it's impossible that anyone who doesn't reside there can't challenge your posts. Grow up!

Grow up? Son, when you were still discovering your anatomy, I was already living here in Bali. Why should I make apologies or excuses for you?

Give me ONE good reason why I should consider ANYTHING of what your negative opinions of Bali have been over, and over repeated?

Better yet, give me, or anyone, a good reason why any of us should listen to you?

You started what is now most likely the most infamous topic on this forum...the smelly pembantu, and you lecture me? Could irony be taken to more extremes?

Something is absolute within our discussions, and it is not a truth that I will shy away from. That truth is the reality that I do live here, in Bali, and that you do not. And yes, in my opinion, your lack of first hand knowledge of the realities of living in Bali, coupled with your youthful ignorance, is bloody good reason for me to remind you from time to time.

The OP...Syd, has already done that (mind made up), Mimpi, just scroll back.

Yes I know that Roy, so why does the argument have to continue?

Everyone has their own experiences just because someones experience is different to yours does not make it WRONG.

I am not referring to this thread but in general - where you have to be right in everything that you say. if someone disagees with you, they are wrong. Which is why I rarely bother join in a discussion with you where I disagree, as I know it would be pointless.

We just had the forum shut down because of all the infighting.

I dont want to see that happen again.

Try allowing other people to have their opinions even if they differ to yours.

As Jimbo said Roy, your "I live here, you don't" is played.. Played, predictable and absolutley irrelevant. You haven't answered my question. Others here, myself included may not live in Bali - but we have dealings there and as I posted, am there many times every month. So according to you,our viewpoints, experiences and opinions count for nothing? If understanding bali means I need to live a life as small as yours - but in bali, then I'd rather die ignorant, by your definition.

Your view of bali is what it should be - not what it is. You think the culture, society and people are as they were 500 years ago, well they're not - you're little world is a lie - a lie you've created for yourself to escape the truth.

I may be 29 Roy, but I've lived in 3 continents, had more business success than you will in your lifetime and have a wonderful young family, so your view of my limited experience is comical.

I guarantee, if you want to lay things out and compare experiences, successes and the like, you'll be the little man, by any measure - oh well perhaps aside from your holy priest, who I couldn't give a toss about.

As for your call to re-read the thread to see who 'started' where we've gotten to, I have and it was YOU - with your up the arse blurting out of the same old crap, "I live here, not you".

Ct

A reminder of some of the forum guidleines which we all agreed to when we joined....

1) This is a peaceful community - we wish to keep it that way. This community has a certain spirit that keeps this a safe place to come and talk about Bali. To keep this community a positive place for everyone, we insist that all members conduct themselves in a friendly and civil manner.

a) Be tactful in your responses - if you disagree with what someone said, please do so in an eloquent matter