Thread: Indonesian Justice

Geez Jimbo, does this mean on your next trip to Bali, (arriving the 24th of March), we might be photographed hugging each other?

Sure I know those old stats. Most of those statistics, which I view as questionable anyway, given the manner in which they were compiled, were, none the less, compiled from data during Pak Harto’s last years. For instance, data released in 2002 was often date compiled in 1997or earlier.

I am also painfully aware that if anyone Googles or Yahoos terms like corruption Indonesia, or corruption Bali, or even Mangku Made Pastika, what first comes up is the vicious work of the “mad hatter of Bali.” I hope we all understand and accept that the mad hatter is indeed mad, and nothing found on any of his outrageous sites should be accepted at ANY level as truth. I am also aware of UN agencies’ “score cards” which are all too often centered on Tim tim and Aceh. Lots of human rights abuses to be found there, no question.

Separatist movements within the Republic of Indonesia should be taken very seriously by the Indonesian government. Such movements in another young democracy resulted in the bloodiest war of its history...the American Civil War. I sometimes wonder what Bush would do if Hawaii or Alaska said, “selamat tinggal” to the union of American states. If they dared, would it be allowed? No question...NO.

Anyway, I did do a search on the most corrupt countries in the world, and this is what I found:

Most Corrupt Countries, 2007


Rank Country
1. Myanmar

Somalia

2. Iraq

3. Haiti

4. Tonga

Uzbekistan

5. Afghanistan

Chad

Sudan

6. Congo, Democratic Republic

Equatorial Guinea

Guinea

Laos



The Transparency International Corruption Perceptions Index defines corruption as the abuse of public office for private gain, and measures the degree to which corruption is perceived to exist among a country's public officials and politicians.
Source: Transparency International, 2007. Web: http://www.transparency.org.




Please note the basis under which this study was made:

“The Transparency International Corruption Perceptions Index defines corruption as the abuse of public office for private gain, and measures the degree to which corruption is perceived to exist among a country's public officials and politicians.”

You need not wait for it to get better here as the years go by, and in your last post, you have already recognized that. Things are much better, and improving every day. Thanks for recognizing that, as it is the truth.

You and I, each with our own Indonesian family have experienced the unique character and all the other compelling aspects that have caused us to embrace our Indonesian families and the roots from which they come. As you astutely say, you love the people here, and you, as well as I know damn well, they deserve our love, admiration and respect. That just about sums up what I am about here on this forum...in a nut shell, that is truly all.

So, back to my original question. Would I enjoy such a photo? You bet I would and I have little doubt that in time, it will be taken.

this is not getting this discussion any further.
I want argue with anyone, but Roy is absolutely right at least about what have happened to, not just Bali, but the whole of Indonesia. Today, the police force is much better and moore focused on what they actually is employed for than for 15 years ago. One point is the new organisation(wich i didnt know about until Roy wrote about it) its absolutely essential for a multicultural nation such as Indonesia to have an police force with understanding of local traditions, and the other thing is the salary, wich is higher today so they dont have to stop the motorbikes for the extra sim and stnk money.
Off course Indonesia is corrupt, Jimbo, probably in the top 20 of the world (though i dont understand how they can compare, i dont even know the definition of corruption.)but i think they are trying hard to change that, but this is not made in one day.
I dont think Roy is right about Bali being better than the rest of Indonesia, corruption is the same in bali or in Batu (jawa timur) where i live. I live a normal life with a normal house(without swimmingpool;-) and 3 kids, my kids in the local school, not a private one, and i have no problem with corruption im my everyday life. Maybe thats because i lived here for a long time and are accepted in the comunity......

Disgusting, isn’t it? Moot question. But for me, it’s Bali that counts, and TS in neither Balinese, nor respected here in Bali.

SG, if you live in Sanur, you should already know that. If not, just ask some Balinese who live around you what they think.

SG, we are on the same page here.