Thread: Saddam Executed

MIM... The media has said much the same thing as you have ? I dont get it , this man wasnt religous or a "friend" to the Muslium faithful . He was a typical dictator and crushed anyone in his way , Muslium or not . I ,like you , hope the media is wrong and the muslium fanatics dont prop him up as "another Muslium " wronged by the imperal west . jamie

A few things bother me about Saddam’s execution.

One thing is the timing. The fact is, he was executed less than sixty days after his conviction and his sentence to death. So, I ask you, Jamie, or anyone else, what western fashioned democracies carry out death sentences so quickly? None is my response...so how about yours?

A second thing that bothers me is that he was not tried on all the charges brought against him. Many Iraqi people are left without a resolution of their charges against Saddam. The Kurds are top on this list. Under “democracy” those other Iraqi people had just as much a right to see justice served and Saddam found to be guilty for his crimes against their humanity.

As one great early post colonial justice, in the 18th century America once wrote, “pure justice serves a full glass to all who seek justice.”

A third thing is just a gut feeling. That is that his execution was timed a little more than a week before what Bush will almost certainly declare as his “new ideas” regarding Iraq, which will almost certainly be a substantial increase in US troop presence in Iraq in yet another, “shock and awe” attempt to quell the violence in key areas of Iraq.

This is madness, and the madness is growing at a very alarming rate. But, Bush can say, “another mission accomplished” and hope that the bite of his call up for more troops will be a bit more palatable to the American people.

What do you say Jamie? Are you ready to see more young Americans, possibly family or friends go off to Iraq in this Bush/oil pursuit?

If there was EVER a legitimate comparison of the Vietnam War to right now in Iraq, at this point in history, you will assuredly soon see it.

I guarantee you that historians one, two, three hundred years from now will be writing what historians, analysts, and even some journalists are writing now. That is, that George Walker Bush, Jr. will go down as the ultimate worst president in all American history. That his incompetence and greed for money from his family and the Bin Laden family did not bring America down to its knees will be seen as a miracle.

GW Jr. will NEVER be a nominated candidate for the “Profiles of American Courage” award, nor will he ever win a Nobel Peace prize, or any recognition from the United Nations that he so disparaged with lies about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.

In those lies, a great American, a true patriot, General Colin Powell fell upon his sword, and resigned from public service. That man, that great General, was likely the only truly great American patriot who ever served in either the first, or second Bush Jr. administration...and he is gone.

Jamie, I have serious reservations that the Iraqi judicial system that put Saddam to death yesterday is truly born of solid democratic principles. In my view, it was a huge mistake to execute him while Iraq is still under coalition control. Not until we Americans and all other members of the “coalition” are out of Iraq will Iraq EVER be a free democratic nation. The execution of Saddam, in order to provide closure to all Iraqi people, should have been done later, when all Iraqi people have been joined in this democratic entity envisioned by the West. Otherwise, what happened yesterday is just another murder.

I have absolutely NO doubt that the US, viz, GW Jr, puts enormous pressure on the “provisional government of Iraq” to execute Saddam in a very timely fashion. President Bush is desperate to say something positive about Iraq, and as he announces in a few days, an increase in troops to once and for all quell the sectarian violence over there, listen for his words directed to Saddam’s execution as a symbol of Iraq’s independence and a democracy.

Jamie, there is no argument from me, as quite frankly, you have no chance of wining it...the argument I mean. It’s really best that you resign yourself into three more years of an American president that a decent Englishman would say at best, is a mad hatter.

Like it or not Jamie, we are all entering a global world. To that I will chant, om santi, santi, santi om.
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Om, Santi, Santi, Santi, Om

Well “said” Daniel. As you point out, among Saddam’s greatest crimes is that his flag was no longer red, white, or blue. I am no fan of Saddam, and it is clear that you are not either. However, this rush to silence him traverses justice in a manner that no democracy could ever support, if it calls itself a democracy.

If this Iraq is an example of what Bush envisions as a democratic Iraq, then that country is most certainly doomed. Maybe Bush really meant it when the banner on the aircraft carrier he landed hailed “Mission Accomplished.” It may be that none of us understood the true meaning behind, “mission.”

As you also point out, the only way our current presidential administration deals with unsavory issues is to sweep them under a rug. That leaves you, me, and countless other Americans wondering if our Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights has been relegated to mere toilet paper. As I previously wrote, history will not be kind to Bush Jr. and its judgment of him will be painful for those Americans who embrace the essence of what America is about.

Roy , I didnt know we were in an arguement ? ..Im against all killing of anykind in anyshape or form , period . Hanging Sadaam solves nothing if you ask me , and so far no "whip lash " from his hanging none has surfaced yet . I seem to remember during his sentencing , that its Iraqi law that demands a quick death ? I might be wrong on that ? I hope and pray that this year is the year we leave Iraq and lick our wounds . happy new year to all .

Im just wondering what they gave him to keep him that calm !!! he should have put up a little fight... mabey the same meds they gave me when I had a visectomy- as the smoke rose from my loin area- it really didnt bother me!! I know- too much information..... but really, he must have been on a slight sedative.... Frog

I'm with you Om Jimbo, foreboding ... it still gives me goose bumps thinking about it ...

Happy New Year All,

I dont think it will be a happy new year for the ordinary Iraqi who just wants some sort of order to his country. The timing of Saddams execution was always going to be difficult really and whether or not he should have been hanged so quick without being tried for other crimes against humanity is another point which would always be up for debate.

Well Saddam could have stood trial for other crimes, but what would be the point as we all know he would have been found guilty and the end result would just be the same. The Iraqi people have known for decades how cruel Saddam was to people outside the Baath Party, as well as those in it who stepped out of line. I have read numerous books on the subject and converse frequently with Iraqi bloggers. If Saddam was to be tried for all his crimes against humanity then he would die of old age in the prisons, and the Iraqi people would never be able to close the chapter on him and look forward.

Jimbo and as for Saddam facing death with dignity, well he did not as he was a mumbling wreck who was in shock more than being brave. I mean what more could he do really as he was doomed. I have to admit this folks that i thought Iraq was better being ruled with an iron fist, as the Iraqi people are a tribe people and were never going to be ruled by one man unless he did things the way he did. I think this has been proved with what is happening noe in the country.

Saddam ruled the country for so long because he kept a watch on everyone by way of the Moukarabat secret agency. I have watched a video of how people were treated when they stepped out of line and was nearly sick at what was done to them. I mean for crimes that would get a little fine in the U.K. they were relieved of their limbs by way of placing them on a borad and a sword chopping them clean off. After i actually watched the short film on Youtube about Saddams cruel methods i have to say i think hanging him was to painless and quick. I can now understand what drives the Shia death squads who have infultrated the Police and Army in Iraq and go on riads into Sunnin households taking them away to be tortued and dumped. Yoe see something really bad had drived these people to look for revenge and before i watched this short film i thought they were barbaric thugs, but after i knew exactly how they could do it.

I bet Saddam wished he had let the weapon inspectors look everywhere when he used to look out of the Rat hole he was living in when he got caught, across to his new the opulent Palace in Tikrit. I suppose he could have cut and run when he was given the chance to exit the country. I mean he could have emptied the bank of dollars and become a hero in Gaza where he ditributed money to familys of terrorists monthly and was worshipped. I dont think he honestly thought he would end up on the Gallows.

Back in 1990 Gerge Bush senior was gunning for his head but the British were successful in putting him off that and getting him to unconditionally withdraw, because as bad as he was they wanted him kept alive for reasons you probably know those of you who are clued up on the subject.
Anyway he is history now and will be burning for eternity with an everlasting pain that will not stop in hell, so justice has been done really.

Sparks out