Thread: Fitna the Movie Youtube Censored in Indonesia

Interesting video, the can of worms has been opened, This guy must really like (bad)attention to himself! So, why are the immigration laws so simple there, seems to be the problem everywhere nowdays, too many immigrants....They form countries in countries, a subculture of shops, communities,housing set with their rules and beliefs .....SCARY :shock:

Wilders is a Nazi. He’s not a respected politician in the Netherlands. He doesn’t represent the majority in the Netherlands. There are extreme right winged parties in most countries, and he’s the Dutch disgrace. There's no point discussing the point he is making, even when he's partly right. He's simply stating that when you're a Muslim you are the from the wrong religion. There’s no way you can convince him or other Nazis that they are wrong. He doesn’t offer any solutions, but only tells us that the Muslims are wrong and that we should fight them. It’s an insult for all moderate Muslims.

Markit, your opinion of the assimilation by foreign immigrants into US culture is not all that accurate. In virtually all of the major US cities, immigrants tend to live in ethnic neighborhoods of their own kind, and English is not required to get a green card. Just hail a cab in New York City and you would learn that truth very quickly. More than 35% of the current population in NYC is foreign born. Chicago, Los Angeles, Miami...all have similar situations.

The concept of the US as a great melting pot went out when Ellis Island was closed. Now, it is just a collective pot, and with much the same problems as experienced in London or Amsterdam.

Roys right, and my previous post did not exclude the U.S,,, Here in Texas it is very easy to find yourself in a foreign country!!! I suppose the Balanise feel the same also, buleville's popping up all over,,, I took my son to the emergency room awhile back and I was the only english speaking person in there, I was #42 in line !!!! I doubt any were even citizens, needless to say I bitched and complained my way up the ladder, He really needed to be seen right then, And I'll be damed if I was going to wait... He's fine....

My curiosity got the better of me last night, so I found a copy of Fitna on the net, downloaded and watched it with my wife (who's religion is Muslim). Neither of us were particularly impressed nor "outraged", as such.

A "movie" it is not. It's 16+ minutes of one guy's prejudices regarding the Islamic world and its religion. Heavily biased and totally negative. A "hate-flick", if you will. I found it boring and tasteless. It beats me why it's receiving world-wide attention.

I feel that the Indonesian government's attempt to get ISPs to voluntarily block websites like Youtube, *******, etc, a gross over-reaction. I had no difficulty finding and downloading it from other sources. Drawing attention to this very flawed and rather amateurish "production" only makes more people want to see what the fuss is about. (Like me.)

I read a Turkish person's take on it on some blog connected to the Turkish Daily News (?). His perception was calm, dignified and balanced. Along the lines of there are people who want to malign Islam and damage its image, for reasons best known to themselves. Islamic governments should take these "opportunities" to constructively address any portrayed poor images of Islamic life, rather than add fuel to the fire by attempting Draconian measures, (which won't and don't work). Such attempts only give the impression that current Islamic "thinking" is not a part of the 21st century and is stuck in the Middle Ages.

Pa-Yan said:

...He's simply stating that when you're a Muslim you are the from the wrong religion...

There is one section in the video which shows a Muslim fanatic "leader" screaming that the Muslim religion is far more powerful and relevant than Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism and every other body of religious thought that came before it. His "solution"? Kill all the infidels! I'm not sure where in the Quran it says that.

And Markit comments:

...Good film and very thought provoking, if not terribly objective...

I can't see how anybody would regard this "film" as "good". For sure, it's some food for thought.

The Dutch "Neo-Nazi", or whatever he is, has simply added to an already abundant pool of ignorance and intolerance in the world. I wonder how he sleeps at night?

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“For Christs Sake it has "Happiness" written into the constitution.”

Good grief Markit, please leave American history alone. The phrase you are citing is, “life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” It comes from the Declaration of Independence, NOT the Constitution and it describes the inalienable rights of man.

Thomas Jefferson was actually paraphrasing the words of John Locke (ever hear of him?), the English philosopher who died in 1704 as offered by George Mason in the Virginia Declaration of Rights dated May 15, 1776.

“Talking about integration - the Aussies haven't even managed to integrate the people that the place first belonged to, for Christs sake! (For those geographically challenged Americans out there, I mean the Aborigines).”

And we in the US did a great job of integrating the Native Americans...didn’t we? :P Can you say “reservation?” :lol: Of course now, most of them have a stake in one casino or another...which I guess is kharma.

I had hoped that your world views would be somewhat more refined and developed than the views you have previously expressed about Bali...but I clearly see that I was wrong.

For your own good, should you decide to stop by Nuri’s during your upcoming visit to Bali, I suggest that you keep your thoughts to yourself.

Markit

I have both little idea and no particular desire to understand what the hell you're talking about.

This is a forum concerned with expats living in Bali. And yes, before you try to shoot me down with some more of your erudition, (in the Queen's English), it's a bit short on expats living here actually contributing much. On the other hand, it seems to have attracted several quite verbose arm-chair "experts".

My post regarding Fitna was my own impression. Even though the island of Bali is predominantly Hindu, there are many pockets of Muslim people living here. "Islamic issues" do have some relevance here because of the nation as a whole.

Your mentioning Theo van Gough, Nelson Mandela, etc, means very little to me in the context of my life here.

...As to your reference to the Turks, I couldn't agree more...

I said nothing about Turkish people. I mentioned one who has an intelligent opinion regarding the bullshit that surrounds this Fitna crap. End of story.

To reiterate something from me to you previously...I hope you find something here on Bali worth the effort. (When you get here.)

And like Roy said, in mixed company maybe you'd be wise to keep your thoughts to yourself.

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