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Modern Day Slavery

Postby Person on Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:49 am

From TimesOnline: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3065243.ece

A millionaire couple have been convicted of enslaving two Indonesian women whom they brought to their New York mansion to work as housekeepers.
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Allegations of abuse included beatings with brooms and umbrellas, slashings with knives and being made to climb stairs and take freezing showers as punishment.


It isn't bad enough that poor Indonesians are suffering at home. They are exported to work as slaves in foreign countries.
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RE: Modern Day Slavery

Postby JAMIE on Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:07 am

ALLEN ..I live near this family . We've been watching this case for a year . Sad how we treat each other , really . Im glad for the outcome . I hope they toss the key on these fine folks .
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RE: Modern Day Slavery

Postby fordprefect on Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:18 am

Egad! What a pair of troglodytes!
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RE: Modern Day Slavery

Postby Adam on Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:05 am

Sadly, though not to the same extent, the same sort of exploitation is happening closer to home.

The economy boom here in WA has led to some major employment issues where even unskilled workers can make big bucks on minesites. As a result the lesser paying (though still good by most peoples reckoning) unskilled jobs are hard to fill. In the industry that I'm involved with (WA Rock Lobsters) deckhands are almost impossible to recruit nowdays so a lot of the larger operators in the fishery have been bringing in Indonesian workers to fill the decks. This is sensational I think, and I believe that we should be encouraging more Indonesian workers to fill the jobs that many lazy West Ozzy's can't be bothered doing.

However, what really stinks is that these poor guys that are coming over are being exploited. Most of these workers are on boats that carry very big entitlements to fish the fishery (lots and lots of lobster pots) so they are working very hard. In a normal situation a deckhand would be getting approx. 8% of the boats gross revenue as their 'take home' salary which for a vessel with 200 pots might equate to around $80k for the season (Nov - June). But the bastards that are bring these fellas over are only paying them a minimum wage and are perfectly entitled to do so. This really sucks I reckon. Yes, a minimum Aussie wage is big bucks to an Indonesian, but everybody's equal so why should they not be remunerated the same as an Aussie worker.

This sort of attitude is starting to creep over into the hospitality industry too with a recent push to try and recruit Balinese chefs and hotel workers. I'm betting they're probably going to be on minimum wages too....

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RE: Modern Day Slavery

Postby tintin on Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:53 am

The same thing happened in my town, Winchester, 2 years or so ago. The two domestic servants in question were also Indonesians. However, they did get well deserved justice the following year. :)

SAUDI NATIONAL CONVICTED OF VISA FRAUD AND HARBORING ILLEGAL ALIENS

BOSTON - A Saudi national living in Winchester, Mass. pleaded guilty today in federal court to charges of visa fraud and harboring of illegal aliens relating to her employment of two domestic servants.

Hana F. Al Jader, 40, of Winchester, pleaded guilty before U.S. District Judge Reginald J. Lindsay to two counts of visa fraud and two counts of harboring illegal aliens for private financial gain in connection with her employment of two women from Indonesia as domestic servants,

At today's plea hearing, the prosecutor told the Court that Al Jader, who has resided in Winchester and Arlington since the mid-1990's with her invalid husband, Prince Mohamed Al Saud, brought the two Indonesian women to the United States in 2003 to work as domestic servants. In order to obtain visas for the women, Al Jader was required to submit to the U.S. Embassy in Saudi Arabia a copy of a work contract guaranteeing that the women would be paid $1,500 a month and would work no more than eight hours daily. However, when the women arrived in the United States, they were required to work - cooking, cleaning, serving meals, caring for the severely disabled Prince, and serving at frequent parties - routinely in excess of eight hours per day. Al Jader paid them only $300 a month which, at their request, was wired to their families in Indonesia.

In July 2003, Al Jader, through an attorney, filed applications with the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services for a six-month extension of the visas for her domestic servants. In connection with the extension application, Al Jader submitted another employment contract, which again represented falsely that the servants were each being paid $1,500 per month and working only eight hours per day. Based on the false information provided in the contracts, the servants' visas were extended, however, when those extensions expired, Al Jader failed to apply for or obtain any additional extensions. Despite the fact that the servants' legal status had expired, Al Jader continued to employ them for the next 11 months at the same pay rate of $300 per month.

In exchange for Al Jader's plea of guilty to these charges, her agreement to pay restitution of approximately $98,000 to each of the servants, and her acceptance of a stipulated order of deportation to her native Saudi Arabia, the government agreed to dismiss pending charges of forced labor and document servitude against Al Jader.

Judge Lindsay scheduled sentencing for Dec. 12, 2006, at 2:30 p.m. Al Jader faces a maximum punishment of 10 years in prison, to be followed by three years supervised release, and a fine of $250,000 on each of the four counts.
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RE: Modern Day Slavery

Postby FreoGirl on Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:09 am

The greedy cow. 1500 per month is still less than $9 per hour based on a 40 hour week. I wonder how she got found out and how the girl's plight was exposed. I suspect there is lots of this going on in the world. I have my fears about what goes on for the thousands of girls that go to Saudi to be maids, it seems to me they are also grossly underpaid.

As to the WA sitation - I know Indo guys working on fishing boats for $500 per week who are thrilled. Their Aust counterparts get way more. I know Philipino gardners who work a 50 hour week under contract for $17 per hour flat, they are not as thrilled but are hoping to change their visas (fat chance)

I hate exploitation.
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RE: Modern Day Slavery

Postby Jimbo on Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:57 am

Tintin

There are cases like this every day in Saudia of housemaids (mostly Indonesian) being abused. What a sign of the world we live in that this kind of thing makes common reading.

Nowadays also those from poor ex soviet union countries are suffering similar fate from everything from forced labour to prostitution.

The time of the year is coming when peace to all men is espoused. I trully wish it was Christmas (or Ramadan or any of the great religious festivals) evry day so that we can behave well for 365 days rather than just one.

As I get older but not necessarily wiser I sometimes despair of mans inhumanity to man even in here.
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RE: Modern Day Slavery

Postby BaliLife on Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:12 am

this is terrible.. but freogirl - you're not suggesting $17 / hour for gardening is exploitation are you? seems more than reasonable to me.. i mean afterall, it's unskilled labour - in fact seems pretty decent..

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RE: Modern Day Slavery

Postby FreoGirl on Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:58 am

Balilife, $17 per hour flat for a 50 hour week is exploitation. Their workmates are on around the same money - for the first 38 hours - and then they are on overtime rates.
These guys have to work a 50 hour week- which means 5 days of 9 or 9.5 hours one week, and 6 x 9 hour days the following week. You try doing physical labour for those sorts of hours - it sucks. They are locked into this for 4 years and have no option to leave and work for another employer.
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RE: Modern Day Slavery

Postby Person on Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:59 am

One of the women in the New York story shows the cigarette burns to her arms. The couple who were convicted claimed in court that the Indonesian women injured themselves as a ploy to gain citizenship. The women were paid $100/month which was sent home to their families in Indonesia.

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Reminds me of the case in Thailand where 78 Muslims died after being crammed one on top of the other in the back of army trucks. Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra claimed the Muslims were partly to blame because they were weak and dehydrated from fasting for Ramadan.
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RE: Modern Day Slavery

Postby Person on Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:11 am

Balilife, $17 per hour flat for a 50 hour week is exploitation. Their workmates are on around the same money - for the first 38 hours - and then they are on overtime rates.
These guys have to work a 50 hour week- which means 5 days of 9 or 9.5 hours one week, and 6 x 9 hour days the following week. You try doing physical labour for those sorts of hours - it sucks. They are locked into this for 4 years and have no option to leave and work for another employer.

The minimum wage in WA is $13.91/hr. Still I agree that "guest workers" should be on parity with the average coworker. FreoGirl maybe you could email the details to Julia Gillard (the new Workplace Relations Minister for those who don't follow politics in Aus.). She might well be interested.
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RE: Modern Day Slavery

Postby Adam on Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:14 am

Balilife, that depends on what everybody else gets doing the same thing. If they're only getting $17 an hour and an aussie worker would be getting more, that stinks!

But your right, $17 an hour is perfectly fine, very, very reasonable in fact for unskilled labour. The truth is that almost all of us in western countries are grossly overpaid relative to our actual value to the planet, skilled or not, including many of us that contribute to this forum, truth be told. Like it or lump it, our western greed mentality comes at the cost of someone at the other end of the spectrum and it gets worse and worse each year.

Jimbo, as an aside, what is a housemaid in Saudi likely to make? My soon to be sister in law is over there doing just that. Boy has she got some courage - she had barely left the kabupaten her whole life and then got a 2 year contract to work in Saudi Arabia. She's had to leave her 2 kids (2yrs and 10 yrs) behind with her husband and only gets 1 phone call every 3 months. How tough is she!
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RE: Modern Day Slavery

Postby BaliLife on Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:02 pm

yes i agree if they're getting less than their counterparts for no other reason other than not being aussies, it's wrong.. but apat from that, it's still reasonable for unskilled labour..

but geez, a WA min wage rate of $13.91 (thanks allan - i didn't know that) is increddible.. i think it's $5.50 per hour in the US.. no wonder australia's got a huge problem with inflation.. it's about $8 bucks in Canada (or at least in BC).. $13.91 is in my opinion far far too high as a minimum wage.. it tells our youth they don't need to strive, but rather just meet low standards.. $5.50 on the other hand in the US is just downright in-humane..

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RE: Modern Day Slavery

Postby Person on Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:22 pm

drbruce talked about the latest minimum wage in Indonesia in his latest podcast. It is currently something like IDR650,000 to IDR850,000 per month depending on location.

A lot of domestic staff get way below that. I know some that are lucky to get IDR150,000 if the boss is having a bad month. There is no practical enforcement of minimum wages and no government tribunal to complain to.

No wonder some jump at the chance to work overseas.

$13.91 is in my opinion far far too high as a minimum wage.. it tells our youth they don't need to strive, but rather just meet low standards..

You will be happy to know that there is a sliding scale based on age. Below 16 years of age it is just $5.56/hr. That should help keep the riff-raff in their place. :P
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RE: Modern Day Slavery

Postby tintin on Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:07 pm

FreoGirl.

You're being too kind with that bitch. US$9/hr (AU$10.50) is the wages IF this was indeed the true wages, and IF the servants worked 40 hr/week. In reality, these 2 women were working on the average 55 – 60 hrs/week, and they ACTUALLY were paid US$300 PER MONTH!! You do the calculations…FYI, the minimum wage in the USA was at the time US$7.50/hr (it's now $8/hr), and $9.00/hr was considered quite fare for this type of menial job.

Many people here look at Australia as the "land of plenty" (and freedom), and I think you seem to confirm it. I know nothing is perfect, but…The guys employed by the landscaping companies in Massachusetts, or picking up lettuces in California, etc, or most other menial jobs in the US, are all illegal aliens from Central America, and they all get paid BELOW the minimum wage. Most Americans say that they are illegals, therefore they shouldn't be here in the first place, and if they don't like it, they shouldn't have come. But they did and they ARE EMPLOYED nevertheless. Talking about exploitation and hypocrisy… As an anecdote, one of the US presidential candidates, Mitt Romney, ex-Governor of Massachusetts, was recently challenged by another one, ex-Mayor of NY, Rudi Guliani, about this subject: hypocrisy. One of Romny's platforms is "Let's get rid of all these illegals," but the landscaping company he has been using for years, was employing all illegal aliens. He couldn't talk his way out of that one, and he fired the company…

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I hear, from time to time, about similar stories in Saudi Arabia, but, as you say, it must be only the tip of the iceberg. And then, of course, there is STILL real slavery going on in places like Sudan, where people are actually sold…

Allen

I was surprised to learn that the minimum wage in Indonesia is Rp650,000-850,000. You should tell this to the staff in most of the Bali hotels and restaurants…One of my friend in Ubud has a small hotel (which nowadays is practically bangkrut. Few years ago, his "regular" employees were getting Rp250,000-300,000/mo, plus food, for work-week longer than 40 hrs. But conveniently, he always had a bunch of young "trainees," whom he paid just Rp100,000/mo.(plus food, mind you)!?...They had to be trained after all…to carry suitcases and mop the floors (I am sure their mothers must have taught them how to, when they were young kids).
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RE: Modern Day Slavery

Postby drbruce on Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:42 am

The minimum wage in Bali is routinely avoided for several reasons: 1) fear of losing a job; 2) employers can seek an exemption based on the number of employees and the amount of money that the company takes in; 3) the absence of a regulating agency with any bite ; 4) the old standby of training as Daniel mentioned - I know people that were trainees for years; 5) the sad state of Indonesian unions after 30 years of intimidation and the fear of being branded communist if workers stick up for their rights.

Oh, and the mininum wage that I mentioned in my podcast is for Bali. Different islands have different minimum wages.

As for Saudi, it's generally a hellhole for workers from Indonesia and Pakistan as I can attest to from many friends and family who worked there. But, people continue to go to work there because they feel that they can put up with abuse for a few years in order to save up for whatever it is that they want - for my family members, it was to get capital to start their own business.
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