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Re: Hillary to Obama: “I want you as VP”

Postby JUDY on Thu May 08, 2008 12:53 am

Jim I did not say they are all evil. Oh No, you said they were all the same; not me. What I said was to lump Obama as crappy as bush or grampie, then truthfully maybe you need a medical examination; both internally and externally, cuz you are talkin some crap!!! I compared Kennedy to Hitler. Those two were not the same, I did not say they were the same. You did.

That is my point, just because one is a politician does make them exactly the same. Some are good guys or gals and some are evil bastarddddds1!!! :evil: :evil:

To say they are all the same....ahhh no way, Jose :lol: :lol:
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Re: Hillary to Obama: “I want you as VP”

Postby JUDY on Thu May 08, 2008 1:01 am

Oh my, what I missed in my last statement was take two politicans, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. end of story, i promise. wheee :shock:
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Re: Hillary to Obama: “I want you as VP”

Postby Jim Thorpe on Thu May 08, 2008 1:23 am

Judy,
I'll just say that you keep talking about all the good things that the Black Panthers have done along with this weeks horoscope and I will continue to be viewed as the one not bizarre.

I don't believe that Obama is any better than Hilary or McCain. Obama's supporters seem to be worse than the other supporters though.
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Re: Hillary to Obama: “I want you as VP”

Postby Roy on Thu May 08, 2008 2:03 am

As I wrote this past Saturday, May 3,

“Tuesday, May 6 could seal the deal. If Obama takes NC decisively and splits Indiana 50/50, then it’s about all done for Hillary, as NC is the last big state on the primary parade.”


Not a bad prediction (and as expected) but Indiana ended up 51/49 in favor of Hillary. However, if one does the math, the differential in the votes is only 1% in favor of Hillary, there being only 14,195 more votes for her than Obama out of 1,274,985 total votes counted.

I understand the attitude that some have in saying one candidate is no better than another. I see that as indicative of the malaise and depression of mind that many American understandably have after these last seven years.

However, one cannot discount the record turnout of voters in many of the Democratic primaries held thus far, nor the enthusiasm for this race being shown by both supporters of both Hillary and Obama.

With the remaining primaries, Hillary cannot win the nomination, nor can she hope to top Obama in number of pledged delegates, popular vote, or number of states won. She has only two hopes...one to sway the super-delegates, and the other to get the Florida and Michigan votes counted...which would be a very unfair changing of the rules that both candidates agreed on prior to those primaries.

The next few days will tell a lot...and that will be the money coming into both campaigns. If she cannot get the funds she desperately needs, the Obama machine will crush her...she will run out of money, and that will force her to finally drop out. That will be a “let’s party” day at our house! :D
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Re: Hillary to Obama: “I want you as VP”

Postby Roy on Thu May 08, 2008 2:36 am

Some interesting excerpts from a letter just released by Obama’s campaign manager, David Plouffe:

News broke this morning that Senator Clinton made three separate loans to her campaign in the past 30 days -- including one as recently as Monday.

These loans total more than $6.4 million, which combined with her previous personal loans, add up to at least $11.4 million she's loaned her campaign since February.

A spokesman said she may continue to "loan the campaign additional money out of her jointly-held assets" -- which include more than $100 million in income since her husband left the White House.

This is a decisive moment in this race.

Barack has already won more votes, more delegates, and more than twice as many states as Senator Clinton, whose path to the nomination has grown extremely narrow. But these loans show that her campaign will continue to contest the remaining primaries vigorously.

Here's the math of where we stand ...

There are only six contests remaining on the Democratic primary calendar and only 217 pledged delegates left to be awarded. Only 7% of the pledged delegates remain on the table. There are 253 remaining undeclared superdelegates, for a total of 470 delegates left to be awarded.

With North Carolina and Indiana complete, Barack Obama only needs 169 total delegates to capture the Democratic nomination. This is only 36% of the total remaining delegates.
Conversely, Senator Clinton needs 326 delegates to reach the Democratic nomination, which represents a startling 69% of the remaining delegates.

With the Clinton path to the nomination getting even narrower, we expect new and wildly creative scenarios to emerge in the coming days.

While those scenarios may be entertaining, they are not legitimate and will not be considered legitimate by this campaign or its millions of supporters, volunteers, and donors.
We want to be clear -- we believe that the winner of a majority of pledged delegates will be and should be the nominee of our party. And we estimate that after the Oregon and Kentucky primaries on May 20th, we will have won a majority of the overall pledged delegates.

Evidently, the Clinton campaign agrees. According to a recent news report, by even their most optimistic estimates the Clinton campaign expects to trail by more than 100 pledged delegates and will then ask the superdelegates to overturn the will of the voters.

But we have our own case to make: that millions of Americans volunteering their time and donating in small amounts have built a campaign that has won the most delegates, the most states, and the most votes.

And this campaign -- your campaign -- will be the one that wins the presidency in November and delivers a wave of support for Democrats at every level of office.

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Re: Hillary to Obama: “I want you as VP”

Postby Jimbo on Thu May 08, 2008 4:03 am

Good summation Roy. I live in hope that I will not have to bury my head in the sands of Lovina :D
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Re: Hillary to Obama: “I want you as VP”

Postby Roy on Sat May 10, 2008 9:39 am

Any Obama supporter who caught Friday’s “Anderson Cooper 360” (CNN, aired here this morning at 10 AM) is VERY pleased.

In the last two days, a number of super-delegates (9?) have committed to Obama, and the cries to Hillary (especially among past Clinton supporters) to quit the race in order to restore unity in the Democratic party has become louder and louder.

This rising tsunami headed towards the Clinton campaign has got to have potential contributors to her campaign thinking twice, and this is where the real damage to her is to be found.

She has vowed to stick it out until June 3, when all the primaries are wrapped up, but I’m betting there is a whole lot of pressure building on her to be less bull headed. We’ll see. Stay tuned.

As for her being Obama’s running mate, I see a lot of pros and cons. The “pros” are in the November elections, but the cons could be a living 4 years of hell for Obama in the White House...not to mention “what to do with Bill?” :shock:

Jimbo, many thanks for your comment. In any event, regardless of how things turn out, burying your head in the sands of Lovina has surely got to beat burying your head in the sands of Kazakhstan! :P
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Re: Hillary to Obama: “I want you as VP”

Postby tintin on Sat May 10, 2008 3:12 pm

By all reckonings, Clinton cannot get the nomination of her party. However, theoretically, she should be allowed to continue campaigning for as long as she wants, until all the delegates are counted, if necessary, provided that she keep in mind the ultimate purpose of this campaign: a Democratic win in November.

But this is exactly what she does not seem to understand. When Clinton says (in USA Today) that she is the candidate favored by “hard-working Americans, white Americans,” and that Obama, the black candidate, just couldn't make it with that crowd, she is doing a great (even fatal) disservice to the Democratic Party, and she is insulting all the American people, white and black. :evil: What she is saying to the world is that white American voters are a bunch of racists (of course, there certainly are more than a few of them), while implanting in the white voters' brain the devastating message of racism, which indeed could be fatal to Obama, in November.

By the same token, why doesn't she also say that Obama, being of the male gender, cannot make it either, but she can, because there are more female than male voters in the United States, and these females will only vote for a female candidate? :roll:

Given her (understandable) desperate frame of mind, although it is Clinton's right to continue her campaign, she should gracefully leave the race for the sake of a Democratic victory in November.
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Re: Hillary to Obama: “I want you as VP”

Postby Jim Thorpe on Sat May 10, 2008 5:55 pm

Tintin,
You are correct. (can't believe I said that can you! :D ) She has the right to run until the end but that doesn't make it right. I think she will run until the end or at least close to the end and the heck with what happens with the democratic party.

I understand her statement about white hard-working americans or at least I think I understand what she wanted to say...but she sure said it in a poor way.
But here is what is going to happen and what is happening in the U.S. and it needs to stop...She will be demonized by other political candidates until she is labelled a racist and one of those "evil bastards" that Judy talks about. Most of us, even the ones that aren't Hilary fans, know that she was talking about demographics and maybe did put some racial spin on it but overall she isn't a racist. She doesn't wake up in the morning and plot how she can screw the minorities over. Just as Obama isn't an evil socialist that is going to bring sharia law to the U.S. While politics has always been a bit emotional, the entire industry of completely demonizing your opponents has to be toned down a bit or no one will be able to lead after the elections. It seems to be a scorched earth policy. We all know what I am talking about. I saw a bumper sticker yesterday that had a picture of George Bush and Hitler. You may not agree with George's policies but to compare what Bush has done to a person that put together a system to mass murder 6 million people is a bit over the top. As a person I know who is in politics once told me " I know what we are doing isn't good for the country but if we get our guy elected he can fix the damage we have done." That was eye-opening for me.
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Re: Hillary to Obama: “I want you as VP”

Postby Roy on Sun May 11, 2008 2:57 am

IMHO, excellent posts from both Daniel and Jim.

No question that calling the statement made by Hillary concerning white non college educated working class voters racist is about on par with considering Obama being responsible for the comments made by his pastor. Both are unfair.

However, Hillary can, and is, being criticized for having made those remarks out of her own mouth, which is politically incorrect, to say the least. Such statements about the demographics of her past voting support should be left to her pundits and campaign spokespersons...and NEVER by the candidate. At the very least she demonstrated incredibly poor judgment...just as she did when she went off about her trip “under gun fire.”

IMHO, she knew that very well before making such a statement herself, and he comment was clearly directed to the blue collar workers of West Virginia...particularly the coal miners. If anything, that demonstrates to me just how desperate she is at this point in the campaign.
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Re: Hillary to Obama: “I want you as VP”

Postby JUDY on Mon May 12, 2008 11:38 am

Heard today on Air America, that one million voters were not allowed to vote in Indiana due to their new law requiring a special type of ID card. Therefore, it is in the realm of possibility that Barack would have won Indiana had their votes been counted. Nevertheless, it looks like Obama should seal the deal soon considering Hillary has to lend her campaign more funds. Like you said Roy, unless she can convince the supers to go with her, that would be the only way she would get the nomination. The two of them are in talks now Roy to split the vote in Michigan and Florida. So we shall see. Roy, I thought Barack's interview with Wolf on CNN was excellant. And Jim, I don't believe the Black Panthers are all good nor all bad. They are shades of grey not merely bad in my opinion. Just wanted to clarify that point. And as far as astrology goes in the predictions. I only hope they are all wrong.

Whoever is elected will surely be living in four years of hell with the way things are coming down in America; couldn't agree with you more, Roy. Like Bush says, "its hard work".ha ha Hillary's comments regarding the hard working white votes was a poor choice of words. Again, I got to agree with you Roy. She knew what she was saying and those comments were directed to the Virginia voters. Got to give it to Hillary though, she is like the energizer bunny. She keeps getting knocked down but she continues to get up. Don't know how she does it.
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Re: Hillary to Obama: “I want you as VP”

Postby milan on Mon May 12, 2008 12:12 pm

But hey, let's see...I still believe in the American people and miracle, that they would at least vote Obama to be their nominee for the Democrats.


This was my post last 1st of May as to your astrologer's prediction, so let me toot my own horn here... :D :D :D
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Re: Hillary to Obama: “I want you as VP”

Postby Roy on Tue May 27, 2008 2:11 am

Any thoughts on the latest developments?

Here’s one from me...could anything possibly be more pathetic than listening to Bill Clinton whine and carry on how his wife has been so unfairly treated? Is it his turn to have a cry in a local coffee shop? Good grief! :shock:
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Re: Hillary to Obama: “I want you as VP”

Postby JUDY on Fri May 30, 2008 10:37 am

Roy, Bill is too much!! As you stated so accurately, the Clinton's have provided so much money to her campaign. It is mind-blowing! Perhaps they know something we do not know. Why in God's green earth would anyone blow sooo much money down a drain if they did not think some way, some how they would not win the nomination. I don't know, it truly is a mystery. Or has their blind ambition and ego's gone amuck.

Additionally, Bill's whinning is such a joke. He sounds like an idiot. The media was in Hillary's corner till super Tuesday; after that date the media simply begin to report what was happening in the race. I guess Bill believes if he continues to report such insanity; some people will believe his garbage.
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Re: Hillary to Obama: “I want you as VP”

Postby tintin on Fri May 30, 2008 6:41 pm

Judy,

It looks as if "your girl" is gonna lose... :lol:

Why in God's green earth would anyone blow sooo much money down a drain if they did not think some way, some how they would not win the nomination. I don't know, it truly is a mystery. Or has their blind ambition and ego's gone amuck.


Clinton was so far ahead at the beginning of the race, she almost looked like a shoe-in. Apparently from nowhere, Obama pops up, and soon he starts taking over the race, and following the February primaries, he is ahead. Now, such a reality is a hard pill to swallow. This is not exactly of the caliber of running for the position of dog catcher of the village. So close to the goal and yet so far...But there is always a chance, no matter how small, and having travel thus far, one just cannot and does not quit. What good are millions of dollars, given all the many more millions invested so far? The race is so close, anyone in his or her position would do the same. After the race is over, she will at least have the satisfaction of being able to say that she never gave up: there will be enough time spent going over the race and how things could have been done better and/or differently.

One cannot deny that the presstitutes favored Clinton first, and then turned their support to the "new kid on the block." Obama could do no wrong, and Clinton, the bitch, no right. Now, the novelty has worn off, and if we were back in February with this atmosphere, I am sure Clinton wouldn't be were she is now. On the other hand, when I hear in the media that many Clinton's supporters will now vote for McCain iso Obama, it makes me thinks that these people have no clue about politics, and I say "what's the point of this circus?" As they say in my home country, "If elections changed anything, they would have been outlawed long ago." :)
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Re: Hillary to Obama: “I want you as VP”

Postby JUDY on Fri May 30, 2008 11:05 pm

Daniel: Great post :lol: :lol: :lol: I agree with you...the entire campaign is just one big circus. My girl Hillary continues to march on. I think I figured it out regarding the large sums of cash she continues to shot her campaign with to survive this race. Money. She probably figures, "what the hell" if I am not the chosen one or for that matter the vice presidential candidate then "hey, I'll write a couple of books over the entire viasco and presto I'll make back the dough I lost plus a hefty sum for all my efforts. Of course, their will be the speaking engagements. Oh yeah baby, she will be racking in the bucks either way. So hey, don't feel sorry for the ole gal; she is in it to win it either way. :cry: :cry:

Where did you say you were from Daniel. I forget?

Have to agree with you about your comment pertaining to elections; if they changed anything they would have to be outlawed. Heard a guest on the Mike Malloe Show who wrote a book regarding elections in America. Somewhat scary his entire analysis regarding what he feels might be coming down....And by that I mean, if Brarack wins in November against Mc Grandpa, the Bushes and their crime family have a second senario up their sleeves; cause they do not want to lose their powerful grip on America. Flash Back people, perhaps another 9/ll; therefore, he will be able to enact his new Presidential Order; a national emergency, Oh Boy, allowing him to declare Martial Law for six months. Conspiracy Therory perhaps; I'm not saying I believe it is going to happen, simply saying if it does, realize people the Bush's and their compadres are not stupid. They pretend to be; while continuously carrying out their well thought out plans. The invasion of Iraq, the failure to secure the countries treasures, of course, except for the oil fields. ho hum Billions being made by Dick Chaney's friends. ho hum The beat goes on. Oh yeah, remember it was only to cost us the American People nothing. Iraq was going to pay for reconstruction. Yeah, right. Dream on, people. Now who was a believer and a patriot. I knew from day one, the illegal invasion of Iraq was a scam by the Bush Administration, and Scott Mc Cullough's book truly does not speak truths we were not aware of. Simply, he spells out in black and white print that he spoke lies to the American People for the Bush Administration. Therefore, when it comes to the world including Bali, Indonesia, and like countries that do not have weapons of mass destruction; beware. Because Bush and his Crime Family have their juicy chops on Iran; and want to take a big bite out of them prior to leaving office. The Drum Beats are a sounding boys. What appears real as the Balinese say is only an illusion. Remember that Americans when the tie (balinese word) for crap hits the fan.

Again, I repeat, hopefully, none of this will come to pass. The election will go smoothly and Barack will be voted in as president and all will be good with the world. Bali too. :lol: :lol:
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